I figured I would get those type of responses but since we were all talking about worldviews, I was reflecting that those questions could be answered easily with the Christian worldview. Atheists are clueless to them.
Dan, after doing some research, new evidence suggest Darwin was in fact wrong about the tree of life. You talk a lot about evolution on this site, I just thought you should know that.
Sorry if I ever insinuated that Darwin was right about the tree of life.
To shred the book of Job like that is sad, really. It's an epic poem, and a wonderful one, at that.
As to the suggestion that those 35 questions are unanswerable by atheists, I have to point out that according to the story, Job wasn't an atheist, and yet he was asked, and unable to answer, those very questions.
So rather than say that those are questions atheists cannot answer, you should be more honest in your phrasing and note that no one can answer them. From there, we can debate whether or not such questions have answers, or if they have any meaning. Of course, the questions themselves are only a very small part of the story. If you want to discuss Job some time, I'm in.
When distilled to their essence the questions asked of Job really signify an attitude of "how dare you question my actions? See how powerful I am. Anything I do must be praised automatically." Frankly, I find it the mark of a despot.
Dan, One of my favorite Bach pieces, and chapters of the Bible.
The sovereignty of God over the weather is one of the most clearly defined doctrines of the Bible, yet sadly today, most professing Christians deny it. Usually when their house is in ruins from a tornado, flood, etc.
Thanks for His blessings are always on their lips, but His chastening? (also a blessing.) Denied.
In the coming years, I wonder how many of our atheist friends will say- Job 40:4 "Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth. 5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further."
6 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 7 "Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me: 8 "Would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?
Yep. Great poetry and great music: the fourth Brandenburg Concerto. I've been lucky enough to have played it in concert with friends- what a rush! To be the humble conduit of such passion! Ah, music!
And the questions God posed to Job are good questions. But as Stan pointed out, Job couldn't answer them. If we regard "God" as "Nature", then the questions are scientific ones: how does the world work? How did things get to be the way they are?
Zilch: If we regard "God" as "Nature", then the questions are scientific ones: how does the world work? How did things get to be the way they are?
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Close, Dan: first recorder. A wonderful part, a humbling experience, to play.
Dani'el: yes, yes, I've read all that stuff. Not only does this passage have no weight if one does not believe, but it clearly is not aimed at atheists, but rather at believers in rival Gods. I don't profess to be wise; I don't dishonor my body any more than I must; I only engage in clean lusts (except for eating dirt occasionally); and I certainly don't worship or serve any creatures, with the possible exception of our guinea pigs.
Zilch, I don't know why I guessed second recorder, (yeah I do, I was ribbing you.:) Although the second part is just as difficult as the first. I was the first chair trumpet for most of my school days, but I actually missed playing the harmony parts of the lower chairs.
I can't say that I play the recorder, but I do play with recorders.
Do you make them in your chilly shop?
I asked somewhere and I don't think I got an answer. How long to make a bow, and how much do you charge?
I must say I am envious of your profession. I would love to do that kind of work.
------------------- Dan, Thanks! All glory to God! You are doing a fine job here as well.
Dan- the second recorder part is nearly as difficult as the first: the first recorder must play a couple of high F#'s that are tricky, if you don't have a G alto recorder.
You played trumpet, eh? Kudos: not an easy instrument. Have you ever tried playing a cornett, not to be confused with the modern one-t "cornet"? It is basically just a wooden tube with a trumpet mouthpiece and fingerholes. Here's a picture of one. They are very difficult to play, but when played well, sound wonderful. I'd love to use one in my medieval concerts, but I can't afford to practice six hours a day for ten years to get good enough...
I haven't made any recorders in my chilly shop yet: so far, I've only made them in recorder-making classes. There are some special tools you need to cut the windway I would need to make, and I haven't got around to it yet. Someday...
It's hard to say how long it takes to make a bow, because I don't do everything at once. But I guess it averages out to about a week. Because of all the other stuff we do, however, I only average about ten to fifteen bows a year, at between €500 and €1200 a bow.
I do love my work, but you needn't be envious: I don't earn very much at all. My wife works too, with handicapped children, and is also poorly paid. But as long as our family has a roof over their heads and enough to eat, we're content.
Zilch, Although I started on the trumpet at age 11, I always wanted to play the guitar. I never got around to it until I was about 30 yrs old tho'.
The trumpet exp. was of little help beyond learning to read music. With dexterity in 3 fingers alone of my right hand, it did not help much with the guitar. However the breath control did come in handy when I started to sing in a band. I taught myself a bit of classical guitar then got into steel string and electric at about age 35.
When I played trumpet (and yes Cornet [not Cornett] for a while) I was envious of a harmonic instrument, then when I played the guitar, I thought it must be cool to play sustained notes with a bowed instrument. I goofed around with an E-bow a few times but I would love to learn to play a Cello one day.
I had never heard of the Cornett before but they look very interesting.
So are bows your main gig? Any special kind?
I'm not interested much in money beyond a living myself, so I still am envious of your craft.
I grew up in a very musical family. With 6 kids all playing instruments, trumpet, trombone, sax, 2 clarinets, drums, french horn, bass guitar. My parents went through college on music scholarships and my father was a high school band instructor for a time before switching to Photography full time. One of my uncles was a band instructor as well who could play anything from steel drums to vibes to violin. Really he could pick up anything and make music on it.
At Christmas we had a ready made band to go caroling. Practice time was a noisy affair at my house.
I really miss playing in a band and hope to do it again in the Millennial Kingdom someday.
Sounds like you had a good time growing up in a musical family. While my father played banjo, and my mother piano, we never did music together at home. I didn't really start doing music until junior high.
No, I've never played in a rock band. The closest I've come is playing in Stone Circle, a Scottish band- we did traditional Cape Breton dance music, but with lots of World Music and jazz influence.
Do you think rock will be allowed in Heaven? I thought it would just be harps on clouds....
Dani'el: seeing as the Bible puts the age of the Earth at six thousand years, but the rocks tell of four and a half billion years, I'll go with the age of rocks rather than the Rock of Ages.
Too all questions:
ReplyDeleteI don't care. I don't understand. I'm not impressed. But I like the musical selection.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteI don't care.
The fox didn't want those grapes anyway, right?
I figured I would get those type of responses but since we were all talking about worldviews, I was reflecting that those questions could be answered easily with the Christian worldview. Atheists are clueless to them.
Answers are a dime a dozen. Wisdom has the greatest price of all.
ReplyDeleteDan said:
ReplyDelete"...I was reflecting that those questions could be answered easily with the Christian worldview. Atheists are clueless to them."
Okay. Go ahead. Answer them all.
Side note: With regard to where the raven gets its meat, observation leads me to believe most of it is provided by automobiles.
Dan, after doing some research, new evidence suggest Darwin was in fact wrong about the tree of life. You talk a lot about evolution on this site, I just thought you should know that.
ReplyDeleteSorry if I ever insinuated that Darwin was right about the tree of life.
Interesting questions.
ReplyDeleteHere are some for you Dan.
1)If I feel off tomorrow would you still love me?
2)If I didn't smell so good would you still hug me?
3)If I got locked up and sentenced to a quarter century,
Could I count on you to be there to support me mentally?
4)If I went back to a hoopty from a Benz, would you poof and disappear like
some of my friends?
5)If I was hit and I was hurt would you be by my side?
6)If it was time to put in work would you be down to ride?
7)If I ain't rap 'cause I flipped burgers at Burger King
would you be ashamed to tell your friends you feelin' me?
8)And in bed if I used to my tongue, would you like that?
9)If I wrote you a love letter would you write back?
10)Now would you leave me if your father found out I was thuggin'?
11)Do you believe me when I tell you, you the one I'm loving?
12)Are you mad 'cause I'm asking you 21 questions?
13)Are you my soulmate? 'Cause if so, girl you a blessing
14)Do you trust me enough, to tell me your dreams?
15)If I was down would you say things to make me smile?
16)If I was with some other chick and someone happened to see?
And when you asked me about it I said it wasn't me
17)Would you believe me?
18)Or up and leave me?
19)How deep is our bond if that's all it takes for you to be gone?
20)Could you love me in a Bentley?
21)Could you love me on a bus?
I'll ask 21 questions, and they all about us.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteDan, after doing some research, new evidence suggest Darwin was in fact wrong about the tree of life.
I see that now! Thanks
CwC,
ReplyDeleteBrilliant questions
Let me throw something at ya then. Check dis:
Mission Accomplished
Shai Linne blasts past 50 cent without effort.
HOLLAAAAA!
Dan,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate that and would you please explain about the fifty ways?
Fifty Ways To Leave Your Lover? :)
ReplyDeleteThe song works really well if you switch:
ReplyDelete"your lover"
with
"Jehovah"
(sorry to be cheeky but it really does!)
To shred the book of Job like that is sad, really. It's an epic poem, and a wonderful one, at that.
ReplyDeleteAs to the suggestion that those 35 questions are unanswerable by atheists, I have to point out that according to the story, Job wasn't an atheist, and yet he was asked, and unable to answer, those very questions.
So rather than say that those are questions atheists cannot answer, you should be more honest in your phrasing and note that no one can answer them. From there, we can debate whether or not such questions have answers, or if they have any meaning. Of course, the questions themselves are only a very small part of the story. If you want to discuss Job some time, I'm in.
--
Stan
Stan,
ReplyDeleteTo shred the book of Job like that is sad, really.
Touché, now I feel shamefully icky. I have changed the title to honor it better. Thanks
So rather than say that those are questions atheists cannot answer, you should be more honest in your phrasing and note that no one can answer them.
You may be right. They appear to be rhetorical really. I have a good name Rhetorical Adure
When distilled to their essence the questions asked of Job really signify an attitude of "how dare you question my actions? See how powerful I am. Anything I do must be praised automatically." Frankly, I find it the mark of a despot.
ReplyDeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteOne of my favorite Bach pieces, and chapters of the Bible.
The sovereignty of God over the weather is one of the most clearly defined doctrines of the Bible, yet sadly today, most professing Christians deny it.
Usually when their house is in ruins from a tornado, flood, etc.
Thanks for His blessings are always on their lips, but His chastening? (also a blessing.)
Denied.
In the coming years, I wonder how many of our atheist friends will say-
Job 40:4 "Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth.
5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further."
6 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
7 "Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me:
8 "Would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?
Kaitlyn: Answers are a dime a dozen. Wisdom has the greatest price of all.
ReplyDeleteJob 38:36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Or who has given understanding to the heart?
Yep. Great poetry and great music: the fourth Brandenburg Concerto. I've been lucky enough to have played it in concert with friends- what a rush! To be the humble conduit of such passion! Ah, music!
ReplyDeleteAnd the questions God posed to Job are good questions. But as Stan pointed out, Job couldn't answer them. If we regard "God" as "Nature", then the questions are scientific ones: how does the world work? How did things get to be the way they are?
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteSo I'm guessing second recorder?
;-)
The whole point of God's questions to Job was that he could not answer them, with anything but awe, reverence and repentance.
For sure the book of Job is one of the richest books in the Bible.
Zilch: If we regard "God" as "Nature", then the questions are scientific ones: how does the world work? How did things get to be the way they are?
ReplyDeleteRom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Word ver- purim
Close, Dan: first recorder. A wonderful part, a humbling experience, to play.
ReplyDeleteDani'el: yes, yes, I've read all that stuff. Not only does this passage have no weight if one does not believe, but it clearly is not aimed at atheists, but rather at believers in rival Gods. I don't profess to be wise; I don't dishonor my body any more than I must; I only engage in clean lusts (except for eating dirt occasionally); and I certainly don't worship or serve any creatures, with the possible exception of our guinea pigs.
Dani' El,
ReplyDeleteIn the coming years, I wonder how many of our atheist friends will say-
Job 40:4
And Job 38:36 to Kaitlyn
Both brilliant! You are a great teacher of the Word, please never stop. You get it!
Zilch, I don't know why I guessed second recorder, (yeah I do, I was ribbing you.:)
ReplyDeleteAlthough the second part is just as difficult as the first.
I was the first chair trumpet for most of my school days, but I actually missed playing the harmony parts of the lower chairs.
I can't say that I play the recorder, but I do play with recorders.
Do you make them in your chilly shop?
I asked somewhere and I don't think I got an answer.
How long to make a bow, and how much do you charge?
I must say I am envious of your profession. I would love to do that kind of work.
-------------------
Dan,
Thanks!
All glory to God!
You are doing a fine job here as well.
Dan- the second recorder part is nearly as difficult as the first: the first recorder must play a couple of high F#'s that are tricky, if you don't have a G alto recorder.
ReplyDeleteYou played trumpet, eh? Kudos: not an easy instrument. Have you ever tried playing a cornett, not to be confused with the modern one-t "cornet"? It is basically just a wooden tube with a trumpet mouthpiece and fingerholes. Here's a picture of one. They are very difficult to play, but when played well, sound wonderful. I'd love to use one in my medieval concerts, but I can't afford to practice six hours a day for ten years to get good enough...
I haven't made any recorders in my chilly shop yet: so far, I've only made them in recorder-making classes. There are some special tools you need to cut the windway I would need to make, and I haven't got around to it yet. Someday...
It's hard to say how long it takes to make a bow, because I don't do everything at once. But I guess it averages out to about a week. Because of all the other stuff we do, however, I only average about ten to fifteen bows a year, at between €500 and €1200 a bow.
I do love my work, but you needn't be envious: I don't earn very much at all. My wife works too, with handicapped children, and is also poorly paid. But as long as our family has a roof over their heads and enough to eat, we're content.
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteAlthough I started on the trumpet at age 11, I always wanted to play the guitar.
I never got around to it until I was about 30 yrs old tho'.
The trumpet exp. was of little help beyond learning to read music. With dexterity in 3 fingers alone of my right hand, it did not help much with the guitar.
However the breath control did come in handy when I started to sing in a band.
I taught myself a bit of classical guitar then got into steel string and electric at about age 35.
When I played trumpet (and yes Cornet [not Cornett] for a while) I was envious of a harmonic instrument, then when I played the guitar, I thought it must be cool to play sustained notes with a bowed instrument. I goofed around with an E-bow a few times but
I would love to learn to play a Cello one day.
I had never heard of the Cornett before but they look very interesting.
So are bows your main gig?
Any special kind?
I'm not interested much in money beyond a living myself, so I still am envious of your craft.
I grew up in a very musical family.
With 6 kids all playing instruments, trumpet, trombone, sax, 2 clarinets, drums, french horn, bass guitar.
My parents went through college on music scholarships and my father was a high school band instructor for a time before switching to Photography full time.
One of my uncles was a band instructor as well who could play anything from steel drums to vibes to violin. Really he could pick up anything and make music on it.
At Christmas we had a ready made band to go caroling.
Practice time was a noisy affair at my house.
I really miss playing in a band and hope to do it again in the Millennial Kingdom someday.
Ever play in a rock band?
Shalom from stinkin Sodom,
Dani' El
Dan- Don't you and Dani'el ever get to bed?
ReplyDeleteSounds like you had a good time growing up in a musical family. While my father played banjo, and my mother piano, we never did music together at home. I didn't really start doing music until junior high.
No, I've never played in a rock band. The closest I've come is playing in Stone Circle, a Scottish band- we did traditional Cape Breton dance music, but with lots of World Music and jazz influence.
Do you think rock will be allowed in Heaven? I thought it would just be harps on clouds....
And since when is Fresno Sodom?
cheers from Vindobona, zilch
Oops, my apologies, Dani'el: I didn't notice that it was you and not Dan. Maybe I need more sleep...
ReplyDeleteZilch,
ReplyDeleteThe Rock rules in heaven.
About 2 months ago, my sleep patten started to shift, until I noticed just last week that I am running on Israel time.
Coincidence? ;-)
Dani'el: seeing as the Bible puts the age of the Earth at six thousand years, but the rocks tell of four and a half billion years, I'll go with the age of rocks rather than the Rock of Ages.
ReplyDelete