The Great Discussion

We once had the "Great Debate" between Bahnsen and Stein, but we now have a more recent debate...

It was a great debate, or what I would more accurately say, a great discussion between Sye Ten Bruggencate and Justin Schieber. No moderator needed. Nice.

Ding Ding, Round Three?

We have had many discussions here about these debates at great length. We poke at each other in these discussions, we have had some laughs, we get frustrated, but we all have a goal on truth. That is something, I hope, we can all be in agreement of.

It is very important for everyone to understand that we do love Paul, and all Atheists here. Paul is doing all of us a great service for the glory of God in these debates, and for that, we thank him. We all want that clay of Paul to be softened and we will give all that glory to God when that happens. If not, at the very least, he understands that "If they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees." ~C.H. Spurgeon

Sye and Eric recap the debate afterwords here, and they bring us some very important points that need to be understood about what is actually going on. It will help to understand the background and purpose of our intentions, if nothing else.

Atheism, A Viable Position?

Matthew 18:19-20

Let's ask Gary, who responds with,

Atheism is not a viable position: Why?

1) It is impossible to prove there is no being having the attributes of power, intellect and morality commonly attributed to the supreme being we call God.

Atheists themselves admit this. Thus having no possible proof of their position, it requires blind faith alone to sustain it. Incredible arrogance is also within them to assume there is no God.

2) It is impossible to use anything at all in the known universe as evidence of no God.

This is self-evident.
Thus atheism has no evidential foundations and cannot by any artifice of language be logical.

3) To claim there is no God requires infinite knowledge of all things, or, sufficient knowledge of the entire universe (and/or multiverse, if true) -which is impossible to obtain in one human life time- to be able to point to reasonable proof.

4) The belief that there is no God is thus based on blind faith alone since no evidence of his non-existence exists.

Yet atheists refuse to believe all evidence of any kind for his existence, therefore they live in perpetual, willful denial of 10s of 1000s of observed realities.

Atheism Is A Lack Of Belief?

"You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality" ~Ayn Rand

Atheism is a lack of belief? They claim it is, we hear this all the time. It's the Atheists slam dunk to do a hands off to the evidence of God.

Let's examine the claim.

From dictionary.com

Atheism
a·the·ism

–noun
1.the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

OK its a disbelief of things, not a lack. So lets examine the definition of disbelief.

From dictionary.com

disbelief
dis·be·lief

–noun
1. the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.
2. amazement; astonishment:

Atheism Is A Lack Of Belief?

"You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality" ~Ayn Rand

Atheism is a lack of belief? They claim it is, we hear this all the time. It's the Atheists slam dunk to do a hands off to the evidence of God.

Let's examine the claim.

From dictionary.com

Atheism
a·the·ism

–noun
1.the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

OK its a disbelief of things, not a lack. So lets examine the definition of disbelief.

From dictionary.com

disbelief
dis·be·lief

–noun
1. the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.
2. amazement; astonishment:

Atheists Are The Antichrist

I was using satire to make a point about free speech to someone else. Now, I just knew it would come back at me, in the form of a quote mine as it did, but something else happened that I didn't expect.

Our (Atheistic?) friend Alex B said to me:

"DAN, you and your ilk are no better than any other conspiracy theorists - you make ludicrous, evidence free assertions, and claim that those who disagree are trying to 'silence' you, whilst making ridiculous threats *against* those [who] point out how bonkers your claims are.

It's truly pathetic, and makes your religion look extremely foolish."

My response was:

Alex,

>>It's truly pathetic, and makes your religion look extremely foolish.

Wait a minute. Let's just say that you are right and I am doing ALL those things that you claim. You end it with this? A fallacious argument called a hasty generalization? Even if I did those things, you attempt to throw out the baby (Jesus?) with the bathwater as a comfort to deny Christ. That sir makes you an Antichrist not a non-theist or an Atheist.

To quote Gary, "This is like condemning the whole USA for what some soldiers did in VietNam."

"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." ~1 John 2:22

"and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already." ~1 John 4:3

You see, This is a perfect example that this is the goal for some Atheists. They want to find reasons to justify denying God. They use excuses all the time here. These are NOT reasons why you do not follow Christ, being in utter contempt towards his followers. It doesn't matter what kind of person I am, be it a liar, murderer, or pure evil what you have is gripes and complaints, and nothing more.

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." ~1 John 2:19

I'm Over "The Ledge"

I just heard a movie that is out called "the Ledge" where "This unusual, character-driven thriller follows young hotel manager Gavin (Charlie Hunnam), who steps out onto a high ledge to commit suicide. World-weary police officer Hollis (Terrence Howard) is assigned to talk him down but is tormented by traumatic issues of his own. The men find themselves debating atheism, faith and the meaning of life, and soon are embroiled in a battle of wills that has each man questioning his commitment to his chosen path." ~Netflix

Outspoken Atheist director Matthew Chapman (great-great grandson of Charles Darwin) said he hopes his new film, "The Ledge, will help audiences view atheists in a more positive way."

Wow, huge surprise from this lineage, that a Christian is the villain in the movie huh?

This is no surprise what Hollywood in general does to push their Godless and Liberal agenda. Remember, not too long ago even, all the main characters in Hollywood movies use to smoke to promote smoking. They are doing the same about the subject of God in vilifying, or denying, Him. Like smoking though, they will be horribly wrong and will turn tail. Unfortunately, it may be too late for some by the time they do. Just like smoking.

Independence Day Indeed

The Atheists had contracted to fly banners over ballparks and large Fourth of July gatherings but they had one big problem – 80% of the pilots hired refused to fly their "God-LESS" message.

Let's be clear: It is the Atheist's First Amendment right to speak their opinion – but it is also the pilots' right to refuse to promote their message. I applaud these pilots for knowing their rights and for having the courage to stand for what they believe in.

We are so blessed to live in "one nation, under God" and it is our responsibility and our privilege to protect the rights and liberties we have been given...by Him.

Update:

On the American Atheists own website some comments were:

"The first statement can easily be read to imply "Atheism is Patriotic, Religion is Not," by a biased viewer. Point of fact: biased viewers comprise most of the intended audience. Why put it up in the first place?"