tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post360079518751652164..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Tag? Why am I it? Atheist MemeD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-90801045138634891432008-07-28T16:39:00.000-04:002008-07-28T16:39:00.000-04:00Diana Wilson,"This is funny. I am real, I am not D...Diana Wilson,<BR/><BR/><I>"This is funny. I am real, I am not Dan or anyone else."</I><BR/><BR/>Your right Diane that is funny. Or anyone else, you crack me up.<BR/><BR/>You are violating the rules I set here though. <BR/><BR/>"Keep the ad hominems out of the conversation. Personal attacks is unnecessary and wastes our time. I will delete personal attacks. Please be respectful with the language also. Just use some proper decorum, please.Limit your c/p (copy/ paste) and use links if you can."<BR/><BR/>For that, Unless I can see relevance I will delete the three long posts you just offered. But I have them and I will address them in time. Try engaging in what is being said. You sure seem angry, I fully understand your concerns but you throw fallacies at Christians hard and angrily. Let me help if I can, I don't want anyone to go away confused. I have a great idea, it was a lesson that took awhile for me to understand. Start your own blog and post whatever you want. I can comment to you and you can comment to me on our own respective blogs. That is what most here are doing also, the take what I say to their own blogs and start a post about what I said. State your case in your own yard.<BR/><BR/>No one here likes to be yelled at either, we are all trying to engage each other to understand each other, with decorum. At least that is what I am trying to do. Understandably we have mutually opposite goals, I want you all saved to go to heaven, and you want everyone unsaved and to go to hell. (Just playing. cheap shot I know, sorry) <BR/><BR/>You do preach more then any preacher that I have heard though. So does this prove true that <A HREF="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/07/atheism-is-religion.html" REL="nofollow">Atheism is a Religion!</A> now forgive me but I have to go take apart a toilet because one of the kids put a toy down it or something. Why are little boys obsessed with toilets, would be a good post.<BR/><BR/>Give me time to address your points as I wish you would reciprocate.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-66244777645675828472008-07-28T09:40:00.000-04:002008-07-28T09:40:00.000-04:00Just a quick note- I'm sure Dan did not invent Dia...Just a quick note- I'm sure Dan did not invent Diana Wilson. It's not his style, but more importantly, whatever Dan's faults may be, he would not stoop to deliberate deception.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-67540360751184484942008-07-24T22:40:00.000-04:002008-07-24T22:40:00.000-04:00PhD in paleontology? I didn't read that but I saw ...PhD in paleontology? I didn't read that but I saw the Miami Bail bond ad(blog)<BR/><BR/>You all should know me by now, I would of told you if that was me besides do you really think I could converse like she is?<BR/><BR/>You know (in your conscience)that isn't me but she is a peculiar one for sure. She isn't answering my questions and keep ranting how we all are liars (screaming at us), if she doesn't come clean soon as to the points that I questioned her on I will consider a bad seed and delete here from my world. The power of a god feels nice. Of course it will go to my head and I will abuse my power because I am but just a man. Take the reigns and pave the way Jesus, please.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-44147615851591071582008-07-24T22:34:00.000-04:002008-07-24T22:34:00.000-04:00"are" bad fruitforgive me"are" bad fruit<BR/><BR/>forgive meD. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-55244621820622351772008-07-24T22:33:00.000-04:002008-07-24T22:33:00.000-04:00This is an example of why overachieved boastful in...This is an example of why overachieved boastful intellects is bad fruit. <BR/><BR/>Hold on let me get the popcorn.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-1841093082224230652008-07-24T22:32:00.000-04:002008-07-24T22:32:00.000-04:00Dan, did you create "diana wilson" for a faked "co...Dan, did you create "diana wilson" for a faked "conversion"?? I agree with pvblivs, something is not right about this. You click the name link and two blogs about bail bonds come up...but this person has claimed to have a PhD in paleontology.Clostridiophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242245098663362751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-68375178835975981652008-07-24T22:08:00.000-04:002008-07-24T22:08:00.000-04:00Dan: "Diana Wilson is a good representati...Dan:<BR/><BR/> "Diana Wilson is a good representation of an Atheist, agree? lol"<BR/> Uhh... no. She does look like a "representation" created by a christian.Pvblivshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931937272948538181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45952509562270591772008-07-24T20:48:00.000-04:002008-07-24T20:48:00.000-04:00Diana Wilson said previously:"What we are also fin...Diana Wilson said previously:<BR/><BR/>"What we are also finding out through research, is that persons who claim to have "great religiosity" and a belief in the supernatural have different brain states than people who are educated and logical in the way they view the world."<BR/><BR/>So according to your wording, the people scanned are not "educated and logical in the way they view the world". So the brain scans were on people of low IQ who were religious?<BR/><BR/>Diana said in response to my objection:<BR/><BR/>"Re: Francis Collins...and the Human Genome Project.<BR/><BR/>For your information, I've read every single word that Collins has published...and once again, the christians lied their faces off and used Collins to prove there is a god. <BR/><BR/>What Collins said (and I'm sure you have never read Collins, but merely repeat what someone said Collins said)...is that Nature is the designer. <BR/><BR/>Now if you want to believe that Nature is god, or god is nature, and follows the laws of physics and logic, that's fine with me. <BR/><BR/>However, according to the religious, god is some sort of magician, who goes Abra-Ca-Dabra, and creates it all in a big pop. <BR/><BR/>So, I really suggest, that before you quote Collins, you really need to read Collins for yourself, and stop merely repeating what someone wanted you to "believe" to buttress your religion. <BR/><BR/>You really demonstrate what is the difference between Atheist scientists and those of us trained in logic...and the religious. The religious can quote hearsay and rumor, and expect the rest of us to believe it. <BR/><BR/>I read everything Collins stated on the subject, and you have not. Collins said that "nature" is the designer, and that is known fact. But "nature" is not the mythical god of the bible...not even close."<BR/><BR/>How do you presume to know what I have read? You've read "everything Collins stated on the subject" while you claim I haven't? Ok, <A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/voices/collins.html" REL="nofollow">how about this</A><BR/><BR/>:<BR/><BR/>"Then I went off to be a graduate student in quantum mechanics at Yale, where I was very compelled with the notion that everything in the universe can be described in a second-order differential equation. I read a little bit about what Einstein had said about God, and I concluded that, well, if there was a God, it was probably somebody who was off somewhere else in the universe; certainly not a God that would care about me. And I frankly couldn't see why I needed to have any God at all. I was in a very reductionist frame of mind. That's often what science imposes upon your thought process, and it's a good thing when you apply it to the natural world. But I sought to apply it to everything else. Obviously the spiritual world is another entity." <BR/><BR/>"To my surprise, I found myself fairly easily compelled by his arguments about the existence of some sort of a God, because even as a scientist, I had to admit that we had no idea how the universe got started. The hard part for me was the idea of a personal God, who has an interest in humankind. And the argument that Lewis made there — the one that I think was most surprising, most earth-shattering, and most life-changing — is the argument about the existence of the moral law. How is it that we, and all other members of our species, unique in the animal kingdom, know what's right and what's wrong? In every culture one looks at, that knowledge is there."<BR/><BR/>QUESTION: Now, you describe a very intellectual process that led you to change your worldview. What about the emotional aspect of what happened on that day, and thereafter? <BR/><BR/>COLLINS: It certainly did carry with it this experience that life is now different. And along with that, this sense that God is not some distant concept, some ethereal, fuzzy entity. God became personal for me at that point. That really was the decision I was making, to believe not just in God, but in a God who wishes fellowship with me. That God is a God who both created the universe, and also had a plan that included me as an individual human being. And that he has made it possible for me, through this series of explorations, to realize that. It is not just a philosophy, it is a reality of a relationship." <BR/><BR/>"QUESTION: As a scientist, do you believe in miracles? <BR/><BR/>COLLINS: If God is who God claims to be, and who I believe he is, then he is not explainable in natural terms. He is outside the natural world; outside of space and time. So if God chose to intervene from time to time in the natural world by allowing the occurrence of miraculous events, I don't see why that is an illogical possibility. Once one accepts that idea that there could be something outside the natural, then miracles also become possible. Lewis writes about this extremely well in his little book called Miracles. <BR/><BR/>However, I don't think miracles happen frequently. It seems to me reading the Bible there were times when miracles were occurring at greater frequency, such as in the time of Moses or Elijah or the time of Christ."<BR/><BR/>I found another interview where Collins states he is a bible believing Christian, believes in souls, miracles, a god who cares about him and had him in mind, etc. He is clearly not a deist,and if you read Hitchens or Dawkins, they even reference him as a very smart person who has a traditional beleif in a personal God. I think it is you who hasn't read. Also, you post the numbers for scientists, without a reference, I have seen mixed results when scientists are polled on this topic. what about other disciplines? What about non-academicians with high intellect who state they are religious in the traditional sense? Also, have you heard of "intellectual attribution bias"? <BR/><BR/>I am also an atheist, and I have a doctorate as well, but I think you are oversimplifying belief here.Clostridiophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242245098663362751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-83392375972542683702008-07-24T18:22:00.000-04:002008-07-24T18:22:00.000-04:00Zilch,"while it's possible for an outspoken atheis...Zilch,<BR/><BR/><I>"while it's possible for an outspoken atheist to be a scientist, it's next to impossible to gain political office."</I><BR/><BR/>and the flip is true also <BR/><BR/>while it's not possible for an outspoken Christian to be a scientist, it's possible to gain political office.<BR/><BR/><I>"it's perfectly possible to be intelligent and be religious."</I><BR/><BR/>It's also perfectly possible to be unintelligent and be an atheist.<BR/><BR/>So stop griping, we are all in the same boat, let's just hope God doesn't tip it over and dump us all out.<BR/><BR/>Diana Wilson is a good representation of an Atheist, agree? lol<BR/><BR/>Let me break the news to you Diane. I am the only Christian here, that I know of, so direct your anger towards me, I can take it. Answer my questions and we can engage in some very enlightening subjects. You have been on a soap box for some time now, come down and lets talk.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-60018492696304261872008-07-24T17:52:00.000-04:002008-07-24T17:52:00.000-04:00Clostridiophile said...Dan, the point I am trying ...Clostridiophile said...<BR/><BR/>Dan, the point I am trying to make here is that smart people can hold beliefs for non-smart reasons. I simply want to challenge the oversimplification that to be religious you are necessarily stupid. I agree that there is a significant tendancy to be less religious as education increases, and I think this is due to the ability to see through deception and think rationally, but again, there are intelligent people who are religious. So this doesn't explain these intelligent people-assuming they are genuine.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-61390589439547248592008-07-24T05:25:00.000-04:002008-07-24T05:25:00.000-04:0093% of all scientists are either Atheists or Agnos...93% of all scientists are either Atheists or Agnostics. Now who would you rather believe? A trained atheist scientist who has brought so much good to the world...or a religion, that has no concept of what a fact is, what an observation is, what science is about...and hates anything intellectual? <BR/><BR/>DWilson PhDJudy Weismongerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01326339537688644426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-4361214377211867892008-07-24T05:15:00.000-04:002008-07-24T05:15:00.000-04:00Re: Francis Collins...and the Human Genome Project...Re: Francis Collins...and the Human Genome Project.<BR/><BR/>For your information, I've read every single word that Collins has published...and once again, the christians lied their faces off and used Collins to prove there is a god. <BR/><BR/>What Collins said (and I'm sure you have never read Collins, but merely repeat what someone said Collins said)...is that Nature is the designer. <BR/><BR/>Now if you want to believe that Nature is god, or god is nature, and follows the laws of physics and logic, that's fine with me. <BR/><BR/>However, according to the religious, god is some sort of magician, who goes Abra-Ca-Dabra, and creates it all in a big pop. <BR/><BR/>So, I really suggest, that before you quote Collins, you really need to read Collins for yourself, and stop merely repeating what someone wanted you to "believe" to buttress your religion. <BR/><BR/>You really demonstrate what is the difference between Atheist scientists and those of us trained in logic...and the religious. The religious can quote hearsay and rumor, and expect the rest of us to believe it. <BR/><BR/>I read everything Collins stated on the subject, and you have not. Collins said that "nature" is the designer, and that is known fact. But "nature" is not the mythical god of the bible...not even close.<BR/><BR/>DWilson PhDJudy Weismongerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01326339537688644426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-7569009221000084412008-07-24T03:31:00.000-04:002008-07-24T03:31:00.000-04:00Dan, you say:I guess we should chuck out the windo...Dan, you say:<BR/><BR/><I>I guess we should chuck out the window the findings of that retard Sir Isaac Newton as well as ten thousand other scientists.</I><BR/><BR/>As clostridiophile pointed out, it's perfectly possible to be intelligent and be religious. One of the smartest people I know is my good friend Stefan, who is a pious Christian. But we should keep these things in mind:<BR/><BR/>One- it's quite possible for intelligent people to be wrong about some things, especially when speculating about things for which they have faulty or little evidence. Newton, for instance, was of course spectacularly right about a lot of things. But he also dabbled in alchemy, and was convinced that the Bible was a secret code.<BR/><BR/>Two- while there have been, and are, many great scientists who are Christians, there are proportionally fewer and fewer of them as time goes on. The latest poll shows that 93% of the members of the National Academy of Science are agnostics or atheists. Why? Better education, coupled with the fact that it is becoming safer in the civilized world to admit not being religious. Look what happened to <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_bruno" REL="nofollow">Giordano Bruno</A> and even <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo" REL="nofollow">Galileo</A>. Newton would probably have been unable to teach or publish if he had said he was an atheist.<BR/><BR/>The more education one has, the more likely it is that one is an atheist or agnostic. Christians will have you believe that this is a result of academia being full of atheists who control the agenda. While I'm sure there are cases of discrimination against Christians, the main reason for the agenda being atheistic is that this is the default position of rational thought. For instance, when I studied paleontology at UC Berkeley, religion was never mentioned: the facts spoke for themselves.<BR/><BR/>Even in America today, while it's possible for an outspoken atheist to be a scientist, it's next to impossible to gain political office. That's one reason I bother debating with Christians: as I've said, I don't really care what people believe, as long as they behave nicely. But prejudice is not nice.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-47950878614897745212008-07-23T21:46:00.001-04:002008-07-23T21:46:00.001-04:00Clostridiophile, "Diana, I must object here:......Clostridiophile,<BR/> <BR/><I>"Diana, I must object here:...Rational people can also have irrational beliefs, particularly when driven by emotion."</I><BR/><BR/>Thank you Clostridiophile at least someone here is still focused on truth.<BR/><BR/>I guess we should chuck out the window the findings of that retard Sir Isaac Newton as well as ten thousand other scientists. <BR/><BR/>Ah, the smell of bigotry in the air. That is why we are here Diana, to help people like you.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-92079532022115886782008-07-23T21:46:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:46:00.000-04:00Clostridiophile, "Diana, I must object here:......Clostridiophile,<BR/> <BR/><I>"Diana, I must object here:...Rational people can also have irrational beliefs, particularly when driven by emotion."</I><BR/><BR/>Thank you Clostridiophile at least someone here is still focused on truth.<BR/><BR/>I guess we should chuck out the window the findings of that retard Sir Isaac Newton as well as ten thousands other scientists. <BR/><BR/>Ah, the smell of bigotry in the air. That is why we are here Diana, to help people like you.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-11323837992302465322008-07-23T21:27:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:27:00.000-04:00Diana,I must object here:"This too we are finding ...Diana,<BR/><BR/>I must object here:<BR/><BR/>"This too we are finding out is based on genetics, which determines the neurological architecture of the brain...including IQ. Lower IQed people are notoriously religious...because they don't have enough "brains" to sort out that which is real, and that which is imaginary. We are finding out there are many differences in the religious and those who are Atheists, or at least Doubters."<BR/><BR/>How would you explain outliers such as Francis Collins, MD, PhD, the former administrative head of the human genome project, or Kenneth Miller, PhD of Brown University? Rational people can also have irrational beliefs, particularly when driven by emotion. From what I remember from reading Shermer, it seems that people tend to think that they are holding their beliefs due to rational reasons, but when asked why others hold these same beliefs, they will say it is for emotional reasons. Could it not be that intelligent people can rationalize irrational beliefs that give them comfort? Now, I understand that they are less common, but in my experience in academia, more of my colleagues are religious than I would have thought...and this is in the biological sciences.Clostridiophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242245098663362751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-14234041435347118572008-07-23T21:17:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:17:00.000-04:00""When one man has a delusion he is called insane,...""When one man has a delusion he is called insane, but when many people have the same delusion, it is called religion"<BR/><BR/>OK then you "do" admit that atheism is a religion then, thanks for conceding. It started from Darwin and became mass hysteria. Thanks I am more enlightened."<BR/><BR/>No, Dan, I said "delusion". Thinking that there is a spooky father figure above the clouds that you can ask favors from, and who came down and killed himself so that he could love and forgive you is a FROTHING AT THE MOUTH DELUSION! Atheism is not a religion...I asked you to explain how it is. It is not even a view of the world, it is an admission of the obvious. I don't see a universe that works the way you claim it does. I think it is funny that you feel the need to lump me with you...obviously you feel religions are irrational. While it is very difficult to get an objective view of much of the world around us....I still require evidence, and the more outstanding the claim, the more evidence I require to accept it. This is clearly a standard that the religious do not require.Clostridiophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242245098663362751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-36088710747086419582008-07-23T19:52:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:52:00.000-04:00Diana PhD,Your whole point is an ad hominem fallac...Diana PhD,<BR/><BR/>Your whole point is an ad hominem fallacy.<BR/><BR/>Person A makes claim X.<BR/>Person B makes an attack on person A.<BR/>Therefore A's claim is false. <BR/><BR/>I don't care how retarded you believe I am, that will not help you on that Day of Judgment. It still is truth, even if you believe you are superior to Christians, which apparently you do.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-20322323724086166222008-07-23T19:46:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:46:00.000-04:00Diana Wilson PhD,You sound like Quasar when he was...Diana Wilson PhD,<BR/><BR/>You sound like Quasar when he was saying the same thing. You two would get along just fine. My response was <A HREF="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/07/atheists-eat-babies.html?showComment=1216609260000#c6168241645215675826" REL="nofollow">this</A><BR/><BR/>"If there is a direct correlation between retardation and Salvation then where do I get fitted for my helmet? Duh"D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-57201357537867920982008-07-23T18:40:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:40:00.000-04:00Diana Wilson,I am doing my best to address everyon...Diana Wilson,<BR/><BR/>I am doing my best to address everyone's questions. I have been quite busy lately with the influx of emails. Since your emails have been the largest, I was going to wait until the kids go to bed before I address them. Please refrain with large C/P(Copy/Paste), a link would do just fine.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-75103760178925672522008-07-23T18:38:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:38:00.000-04:00Oops- diana, I think you are getting Dan and me co...Oops- diana, I think you are getting Dan and me confused. I'm an atheist. Dan is a Christian. And I only put Ayn Rand and Pol Pot in the same sentence because, as I said, they were both atheists, and neither was a secular humanist, at least by my understanding of secular humanism. This was only to illustrate the non-identity of atheism with secular humanism. Of course, there are many flavors of secular humanism, and some might want to include Rand in some of them. But that's a discussion for another time and place. <BR/><BR/>I perfectly agree with you about the barbarity of Jehovah in the Old Testament. Of course, most Christians will tell you that these verses only applied to the Hebrews of that time, and that God has cleaned up His Act a lot since then. One can only wonder why it took Him so long, and how long it will take Him to realize that the most reasonable, rational, people can't find any evidence for His existence.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-79546004861607975782008-07-23T18:34:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:34:00.000-04:00Diana Wilson said... SECULAR HUMANISM...is exac...Diana Wilson said...<BR/><BR/> SECULAR HUMANISM...is exactly why you are free to preach your religious garbage and get away with it. And, you cannot put Ayn Rand...who said to "tell the truth" at all costs...and Pol Pot in the same sentence, and to do so, shows not only outrageous ignorance, but an attempt at cheap associative propaganda that anyone with an IQ over 120 would know what you are doing.<BR/><BR/> Finally, if you religious nut cases were in charge of this country...the bible rules you follow, in which your imaginary god "demands" that you murder, rape, abort women and destroy entire towns would be the law of the land...and you would engage in mass murder if you found an infidel or blasphemer in your midst.<BR/><BR/> Below are the dozens of bible verses that tell us exactly what you are going to do (and have done in history)...if you are ever in charge. The "bible" and all its murder and genocide, is exactly why the founders of the US were "functional atheists" and would only accede to using the word "creator" (meaning nature) in the US Constitution, and US Bill of Rights....<BR/><BR/> It is only American laws based on SECULAR HUMANISM that keeps you from murdering everyone who doesn't believe in your god: (see below)..from DWilson PhD<BR/> Murder in the Bible<BR/><BR/>You were my first deletion Diana Wilson I dub you the C/P Queen<BR/><BR/>[in future please just link to it. Zilch was kind enough to help you out <A HREF="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/07/welcome-atheists-i-love-you.html?showComment=1216850880000#c892955991631329335" REL="nofollow">here</A>]D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-73961695866371419902008-07-23T18:22:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:22:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Judy Weismongerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01326339537688644426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-5790169408481496592008-07-23T18:21:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:21:00.000-04:00Dan- which first king? Do you mean Hroðgar, who a...Dan- which first king? Do you mean Hroðgar, who asked Beowulf to help him? Sorry, I don't know what happens in the movie- I only know the poem. In fact I performed a bit of it years ago in Berlin- wonderful language, but not much like modern English at all. For my money, the best modern retelling of Beowulf is John Gardner's novel <I>Grendel</I>, which tells the story from the monster's point of view.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to your explanation of why evolutionary theory is false, Dan. Please don't pull the Second Law of Thermodynamics on me.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-70783935823022289602008-07-23T17:53:00.000-04:002008-07-23T17:53:00.000-04:00Zilch,First, nice word use 'hybridize', just rolls...Zilch,<BR/><BR/>First, nice word use 'hybridize', just rolls off the tongue.<BR/><BR/>Second, fruit isn't someones likes or dislikes. It's the result of the path they chose. Did you see the 'fruit' of that first king's choice in Beowulf, the movie? <A HREF="http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2007/11/14/beowulf380.jpg" REL="nofollow">Yuck!</A><BR/><BR/><I>"No, you will have to actually study both sides for yourself, and tell me in your own words exactly how evolutionary theory fails.'</I><BR/><BR/>Be careful of what you ask for, I will give it a new post soon.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.com