tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post6984116876963113784..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: A New Hope?D. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-27278009362979664122016-12-16T09:38:06.549-05:002016-12-16T09:38:06.549-05:00Report overdue. All well with you?Report overdue. All well with you?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-29364360988820106692016-10-27T13:08:53.902-04:002016-10-27T13:08:53.902-04:00Okay Dan. Report. Family doing well? Yourself?Okay Dan. Report. Family doing well? Yourself?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26612026425187300302016-10-03T05:59:20.943-04:002016-10-03T05:59:20.943-04:00Nope.
Cheers from rainy Vienna, zilchNope.<br /><br />Cheers from rainy Vienna, zilchzilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-54457095380274120372016-09-29T14:15:19.220-04:002016-09-29T14:15:19.220-04:00>>But logic cannot define morality, any more...>>But logic cannot define morality, any more than logic can define the best way to make an omlette.<br /><br />There is certainly a logical process to make an omelette. To serve your guests in a moral manner, you MUST follow logic to do so. No? You cannot define morality without logic. Logic directly precedes, and permiates, throughout morality. They're synonymous.<br /><br />"A synonym for morals is scruples, although the etymology, interestingly, approaches the issue from the other direction: The Latin precursor, scrupulus, means “anxiety” or “pang of conscience,” but the literal meaning is “small, sharp, stone”; a scruple, in effect, is something that unpleasantly reminds you to be pleasant." ~Ethics vs. Morals, Mark Nichol<br /><br />>>Morality is a continuous scale with more than one parameter, not all of which are clear.<br /><br />I don't believe your kindness towards me varies. No, you can't have morality without a standard, or law, to compare it against. So, to say it varies, which it doesn't, doesnt work if you're evaluating morality to any degree. The main reason is because you're comparing things against that standard, or law.<br /><br />Maybe the confusion lies with the actual variables that affect your alliance to morality, such as someone robbing your wife. Things got murky because you kill him for doing so, but you had an opportunity to just arrest him, and bring him to justice. Finally, isn't " varied morality " an oxymoron?<br /><br />Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-40143330526776871412016-09-29T05:52:15.948-04:002016-09-29T05:52:15.948-04:00Logic is necessary to morality because logic is ne...Logic is necessary to morality because logic is necessary to get as close as we can to modelling the world correctly. But logic cannot define morality, any more than logic can define the best way to make an omlette.<br /><br />And I'm sure we've had this conversation before. Morality is a continuous scale with more than one parameter, not all of which are clear. Of course many moral decisions happen at the points where nearly everyone will agree: say that saving a drowning child is better than not. But that doesn't mean that morality is black and white, nor does it mean that it's objective (whatever that could mean). Nonetheless, we somehow manage to muddle through, don't we?<br /><br />cheers from sunny Vienna, Scott zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-19622301172116715752016-09-27T15:24:58.814-04:002016-09-27T15:24:58.814-04:00Well, I am sure logic is THE transcendent moral im...Well, I am sure logic is THE transcendent moral imperative for correct thinking. No one must be logical though. If you want to be logical, you're trying to be moral in correct thinking. No?<br /><br />Yes, where unclear at times, there is right and wrong. WWJD is that manifestation. What God does is good, so what Christ does is good, ALWAYS. When emulating Christ, we're acting moral. Morality, like logic, is not foggy and unclear. It's THE lighthouse for mankind. Atheists are denying lighthouses, while using that light to navigate. Atheists are denying letters and words, all the while talking to you. No?Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-50572312973668599042016-09-27T08:27:46.546-04:002016-09-27T08:27:46.546-04:00I'm not sure where morality enters here, Dan. ...I'm not sure where morality enters here, Dan. Logic can help us make correct arguments, but we also need observation, and observation reveals morality to be a very complex issue, not one that can be defined simply on the basis of logic. Or do you think there is always a right and wrong to every decision?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-62678526595290704282016-09-27T05:38:50.328-04:002016-09-27T05:38:50.328-04:00Thanks, good.
>>logic, or correct reasoni...Thanks, good. <br /><br /><br />>>logic, or correct reasoning, is necessary when making decisions about how things are in the real world.<br /><br />So, these Laws that are morally necessary, and necessary for morality, existed before the mind of men, and even after?<br /><br />Also, You firmly agree that Logic represents a transcendent moral imperative for correct thinking?<br /><br />Identy of that Source is my next direction, of course. So, an adequate worldview must explain such a source, otherwise it failes to do its very purpose. Still with me? Where are we here?Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26036123516350380512016-09-27T05:16:30.383-04:002016-09-27T05:16:30.383-04:00Good stuff, Dan, right on my wavelength. I agree:...Good stuff, Dan, right on my wavelength. I agree: logic, or correct reasoning, is necessary when making decisions about how things are in the real world.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-81998006206754019172016-09-26T03:24:27.316-04:002016-09-26T03:24:27.316-04:00Here are points I was driving home a few days ago,...Here are points I was driving home a few days ago, care to input? I'm interested.<br /><br />Logic represents a transcendent moral imperative for correct thinking.<br /><br />“Folly is a joy to him who lacks sense, but a man of understanding walks straight ahead.” ~Proverbs 15:21<br /><br />"I. Logic is the study of the methods and principles used in distinguishing correct from incorrect reasoning.<br />B. Logic differs from psychology in being a normative or a prescriptive discipline rather than a descriptive discipline.<br />1. I.e., it prescribes how one ought to reason; it's not con cerned with how one actually does reason.<br />2. Logic is concerned with laying down the rules for correct reasoning.<br />3. Consequently, logic seeks to distinguish good arguments from poor ones.(1)"<br /><br />RIGHT or WRONG, CORRECT, and OUGHT are all prescriptive terms. Agree? :)<br /><br />(1) http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/nature_log.html<br />Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-41177399965274717192016-09-26T02:51:52.489-04:002016-09-26T02:51:52.489-04:00Sure is. Just following orders ... 2 Timothy 2:14-...Sure is. Just following orders ... 2 Timothy 2:14-16 :)<br /><br />You well? Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-40348758943628451552016-09-21T10:44:24.844-04:002016-09-21T10:44:24.844-04:00Kinda sleepy here nowadays. All okay?Kinda sleepy here nowadays. All okay?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-80610535092839511502016-07-04T06:30:35.210-04:002016-07-04T06:30:35.210-04:00Hey, cheating is okay with No-God. :)Hey, cheating is okay with No-God. :)zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-81165869313603204772016-07-02T13:39:17.750-04:002016-07-02T13:39:17.750-04:00Cheater! :)Cheater! :)Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-56549823996881695912016-07-02T07:01:58.518-04:002016-07-02T07:01:58.518-04:00Orange we already acquainted?Orange we already acquainted?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-77925979111397511952016-06-30T15:27:11.951-04:002016-06-30T15:27:11.951-04:00OrangeOrangeDebunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-63695095971489428752016-06-30T12:10:53.821-04:002016-06-30T12:10:53.821-04:00Who's there?Who's there?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-50039917036246398222016-06-29T12:21:43.406-04:002016-06-29T12:21:43.406-04:00Fine. Knock, knock.Fine. Knock, knock.Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-72178998179906960192016-06-29T12:09:45.635-04:002016-06-29T12:09:45.635-04:00Dan- I know a good knock-knock joke. You have to ...Dan- I know a good knock-knock joke. You have to start.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-17767690837269887492016-06-11T07:10:49.630-04:002016-06-11T07:10:49.630-04:00Hey new hope guy. It's nearly summer. How ar...Hey new hope guy. It's nearly summer. How are things with you and yours?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45177122561018721372016-05-05T13:54:03.297-04:002016-05-05T13:54:03.297-04:00Abbie,
>>I don't care what you say, you...Abbie,<br /><br />>>I don't care what you say, you aren't Christian. Name me one person who actually follows true Christianity on this earth right now. I bet you can't do it.<br /><br />Because you say so? Hardly. It's amazing how little people know about the things they war against. A follower of "true Christianity" sins, so there are plenty of us. Christians ate not perfect, but forgiven. We're perfected in Christ for what He did, nothing what we do. Romans 6 may be the goal, but Romans 7:13-25 is our reality. So, I'm sorry if you misunderstood, but we're not better than you, just better off because of Jesus Christ and what He did.<br /><br />I want to warn you though, those who stand against, or denies, Christ is a slave to their chosen master. Here is more:<br /><br /><br />"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." ~ 1 John 2:22 <br /><br />"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." ~1 John 4:3 <br /><br />"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." ~1 John 2:18<br /><br />This is where we get our information from. God, and His revelations. Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-82491381525826473832016-05-05T10:45:46.748-04:002016-05-05T10:45:46.748-04:00Hey Abbie. While it's true that a lot of what...Hey Abbie. While it's true that a lot of what atheists talk about is Christianity, that's because of what Christianity (and other religions elsewhere) says and does. But most if not all atheists are such because they simply see no evidence for the existence of God- not because theists misbehave.<br /><br />cheers from sunny Vienna, Scottzilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-49044523454216625862016-05-05T09:26:19.422-04:002016-05-05T09:26:19.422-04:00What in the world are you people talking about? Es...What in the world are you people talking about? Especially those of you saying you are "Christian". I don't care what you say, you aren't Christian. Name me one person who actually follows true Christianity on this earth right now. I bet you can't do it.<br /><br />Atheism, along with this war against "Christians", is because Christians have been understanding wrong since the religion of Christianity was formed. Organized religion is the problem.<br /><br />To the person posing as "Antisatan", where do you get your information? Debunking Atheists, where do you also get your information? I'm not on either side here, but I understand the problem, and I would like to know more of your perspectives.Abbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15074603947251660799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45207767448799691832016-04-15T12:10:03.392-04:002016-04-15T12:10:03.392-04:00Hey, Dan, thanks for the compliment. I'm well...Hey, Dan, thanks for the compliment. I'm well aware that what I do is, at best, simply tying in to a part of the beautiful order of the Universe, wherever it comes from. Your daughter is tying into the same thing, sounds like.<br /><br />Cheers from cool Vienna, Scottzilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-52576958272983652472016-04-13T14:37:44.493-04:002016-04-13T14:37:44.493-04:00That was neither strange nor weird. I'd use be...That was neither strange nor weird. I'd use beautiful to describe your music. My daughter made it a mission to play guitar, and when she played me "Wish you were here" well, I knew she was getting serious. Completely self taught too.<br /><br />Music fascinates me. How can we have a few notes to work with for a few thousand years, and have new creations every day still? I'm in awe by it. You'd think we would be broken records by now, but something new arrives all the time. Something certainly more than "matter in motion" is going on. Matter in motion might state there's no purpose in music, but we all know better. :)Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.com