tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post7540443891388002633..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Science in the BibleD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-18225454052259018972016-01-07T14:49:09.270-05:002016-01-07T14:49:09.270-05:00Actually the Hebrew word used can be translated as... Actually the Hebrew word used can be translated as either a circle or a sphere. FAIL to you.<br /><br />Do you have to be so rude to bring someones mom into it? Or does your religion of evolution-ism allow such immoral behaviour? Oh I forgot, you guys can do anything you feel is right.<br /><br />All the claims in the bible are scinetifically accurate. God didn't fail at anything. It is you who has failed to acknowledge God and what is written in His Word as truth. All the scripture is scientifically correct, even if you can observe dust blowing in the wind. It doesn't matter. It is not incorrect. Your whole argument is "Well, that isn't very impressive today because we know that stuff". It's just an excuse to deny accountability to God. Unfotunately for you, you will face God, not matter how much you laugh now. And we don't care if Atheists laugh. You guys believe apes evolve into humans given enough time, under the false guise of mutations and variations within kinds. You believe everything came from...nothing. Now there's some pseudo science for you. LolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02355978222921046487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-58843654900302849802013-03-20T01:28:30.750-04:002013-03-20T01:28:30.750-04:00"You cannot reason out of Christianity if Jes..."You cannot reason out of Christianity if Jesus is Lord of your reasoning." ~Sye Ten Bruggencate<br /><br />"The supernatural is the presupposition of the intelligibility of the natural.” is the claim. In other words, without God you would lose the preconditions for the intelligibility you require to posit your hypothetical in science, logic, reason, etc.<br /><br />This is exposed by asking you a very simple question. How do you know your reasoning is valid without God, or being viciously circular?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-14261296158702478542013-03-20T00:10:45.056-04:002013-03-20T00:10:45.056-04:00I'm a Christian once. I know that it's rea...I'm a Christian once. I know that it's really hard to challenge a deep-rooted belief (especially if it's indoctrinated to you since childhood), but to be honest to myself, I can't really hold my faith simply because there's no evidence attributed to defend my faith. <br /><br />And if I must choose between truth and "word of god", I will go to the truth. <br />Please open your mind because all the truth in the world can't shake your 'faith' if you yourself don't open your mind.<br /><br />I have a good website to point out the mistakes of all the vague and over-generalization claims above.<br />http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item65.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-65993561368744382262011-12-17T01:24:08.141-05:002011-12-17T01:24:08.141-05:00circular reasoning: god is real, I believe it, the...circular reasoning: god is real, I believe it, the bible says it, that settles it, which goes back to god is real. Circular reasoning. Stop running around in circles, your making me dizzy.proudmtathiesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884842281443781084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-59574310363941040482011-12-17T01:18:22.491-05:002011-12-17T01:18:22.491-05:00>>Your bible isn't proof. It's just ...>>Your bible isn't proof. It's just another way for you to keep your circular reasoning going.<br /><br />Hopefully to save intellectual honesty, you conceded that we can have certainty via revelation but still, is 'begging the question' absolutely fallacious?<br /><br />You keep bringing up logical fallacies as if you thought logic was absolute. I would ask you to try to be more consistent with your professed worldview, but rather I urge you to repent of it.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-3373519489649762802011-12-17T00:59:32.666-05:002011-12-17T00:59:32.666-05:00The *secular* scientists (as you put it) DO NOT pu...The *secular* scientists (as you put it) DO NOT put the cart in front of the horse and ASSUME god did it. They look at accountable and provable FACTS If a secular scientist found "god" They would be the first to appologize. But NO SUCH PROOF EXISTS!!! Christian scientists on the other hand ASSUME god did it and mold whatever "science" they discovered to prove "god did it." Like I said...putting the cart in front of the horse.<br /><br /><br />"Would you like the verses again that counter that position, or is your DOGMA sound?" No thanks. ancient books written by ancient assholes is not my authority. PROOF is. Your bible isn't proof. It's just another way for you to keep your circular reasoning going. It's never ending and it gets annoying. I have no dogma. definition an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church. Synonyms: doctrine, teachings, set of beliefs, philosophy.<br />2.<br />a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption; the recently defined dogma of papal infallibility. Synonyms: tenet, canon, law.<br />3.<br />prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group: the difficulty of resisting political dogma.<br /><br /><br />I make no claim to unquestionable truth. I have stated that in my previous post about gravity. If it changes, so does the "law" of gravity. Science is always changing to keep up with new discovery. Your "Scientists" (ha what a joke) doesn't change because god never changes. So good luck with your dogma buddy.proudmtathiesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884842281443781084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-38620892449667797852011-12-17T00:40:17.735-05:002011-12-17T00:40:17.735-05:00>>Ok, stick your head in the sand and say &q...>>Ok, stick your head in the sand and say "lalalallalalalala I can't hear you!!!!" Typical.<br /><br />My irony meter just exploded with that one.<br /><br />>>If god is the author, who are you (or any appologist) to presume to know the mind and writings of god?<br /><br />You're RIGHT and I completely agree. John 14:26, 1 John 2:27 <br /><br />>>I don't read and assume. I read and analyze. <br /><br />Again, who are you trying to convince, me or you? AND how has that worked for you? You went astray somewhere. It happened to Eve too when she questioned God's Authority and placed Him on trial (as a criminal).<br /><br />>>If it goes against what [secular]* scientists have spent YEARS experimenting, I see it as pure mythology. <br /><br />*I corrected it for you<br /><br />D’Souza said "Science is an attempt to understand the natural world in a natural way. Science then in that sense is restricted to natural explanations for natural phenomena. If a natural explanation is inadequate then science stops."<br /><br />But I disagree with that in part because there are plenty of Christian Scientists. There is even theistic evolution that many believe. <br /><br />But Bahnsen drove it home with: <br /><br />"In fact, that cannot be evidence for God if he is a naturalist, or an atheist. Because according to him its not possible to have evidence for God. If he is in fact an atheist in terms of his views on reality, then all of these things must be reinterpreted so they are regimented, or will conform to, will comport with that man's naturalism, or atheism." <br /><br />>>You forget, I was once a christian.<br /><br />You forgot that is merely a bare assertion that flies against the ONE Authority who claims differently. Would you like the verses again that counter that position, or is your DOGMA sound?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-6646138203096240682011-12-16T23:46:13.750-05:002011-12-16T23:46:13.750-05:00You forget, I was once a christian. I know what th...You forget, I was once a christian. I know what the appologists say, and its a big steaming pile of bull crap.proudmtathiesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884842281443781084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-21891213901786026442011-12-16T23:44:26.068-05:002011-12-16T23:44:26.068-05:00Ok, stick your head in the sand and say "lala...Ok, stick your head in the sand and say "lalalallalalalala I can't hear you!!!!" Typical. Your "authoritative" sources only wish to spin what is written in BLACK AND WHITE to what you think is right. If god is the author, who are you (or any appologist) to presume to know the mind and writings of god? I don't read and assume. I read and analyze. If it goes against what scientists have spent YEARS experimenting, I see it as pure mythology.proudmtathiesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884842281443781084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-4887971865950120442011-12-16T23:33:21.854-05:002011-12-16T23:33:21.854-05:00ProudmAtheist,
This was an older post so I would ...ProudmAtheist,<br /><br />This was an older post so I would refer you to a <a href="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2011/07/great-discussion.html" rel="nofollow">newer post</a> to answer this.<br /><br />I respond now with, I don't discuss Scripture with those that don't hold it as authoritative.<br /><br />You see, we all have rescuing devices. We're going to interpret Scripture with the revelation that God does not lie. You will interpret it with your "subjective" view of logic. I can reconcile certain things the Bible says to a Christian, and we do. I am not going to reconcile with non Christians because you are going to bring your assumptions that God doesn't exist, that God can lie... <br /><br />...If you are not entering with the assumptions that God cannot lie then you are entering with an incorrect assumption and there is no reason to discuss anything about God or the Bible with you.<br /><br />You're going to come in with your interpretation, just as I am going to come in with my interpretation based on God's revelations.<br /><br />You are simply unable to UNDERSTAND or know the truth UNTIL you repent. Repentance comes BEFORE knowledge of truth, not after: 2 Timothy 2:24-26D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-67136677652589946392011-12-16T23:06:46.103-05:002011-12-16T23:06:46.103-05:00Let's take a look at the science in Genesis sh...Let's take a look at the science in Genesis shall we? Genesis 1:1-5 earth was formless and void...and god created light and dark on the first DAY...now how is it if the earth is formless and void how can you tell what a day is? Science rule number 1 broken. And what is this light? Where did it come from? Its not the sun, the sun hasn't been CREATED yet. It also states that there was only water, now in space water freezes on contact. But who would know that in the ancient middle east? Science rule 2 busted Ok, the mysteries of god, maybe? Day 2 Genesis 1:6-8 god created the sky to separate the waters...ok was the water floating around in this bubble? Without the sun to warm it up wouldn't it be pure ice? How could this bubble be controlled without any force of gravity or magnetism? Science rule number 3 annihilated. End of day 2...Still the question plaques my mind, how on earth is that considered a day? But faith is all I need so lets move on...Day three Genesis 1:9-13 god separates the (still frozen???) water and land..............Wait a minute. The earth couldn't be all water, could it? Wouldn't there HAVE to be a molten core for land to even appear? Science rule 4 crushed. So ummmm, contradiction? NO, I have to keep my faith even if it doesn't make sense!!! Lets move on. God then creates plants and trees. Have you seen the sun yet? How on earth can plants and trees survive without uv light, warmth and liquid water? science rule 5 shattered!! End of day 3. Day? how is that determined again? I am confused, but god's ways are mysterious so I refuse to question such things. My faith shall carry me through. Moving on. Day 4, hey we can actually call this a day now! god made the sun and the moon!! I knew god knew what he was doing!!! Even though the plants are all dead and frozen solid but god did it!!! My faith has carried me through!!<br />Day 5 god fills the sky birds and the still frozen seas (What you can't expect the seas to magically melt in a day can you?) with fish...god is good!! science rule 6 demolished. Day 6 god creates all the animals of the land and he creates humans to cultivate the still dead plants and trees. science rule 7 trashed (can they be regenerated in a day? Sure when gods behind this crazy mess!) <br />Day 7 PHEW!!!!! It's so hard to create a world that goes against every scientific law imaginable!!! Its time for bed!!!proudmtathiesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884842281443781084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-4856778955496332192008-07-31T21:54:00.000-04:002008-07-31T21:54:00.000-04:00Meh, no problem.Meh, no problem.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-222787662822594752008-07-31T18:13:00.000-04:002008-07-31T18:13:00.000-04:00Reynold,"So tell me Einstein" isn't a compliment t...Reynold,<BR/><BR/>"So tell me Einstein" isn't a compliment to an atheist then? <BR/><BR/>OK I concede I was getting harsh I retract my apparent anger. I apologize Pvblivs. <BR/><BR/>Reynold,<BR/><BR/>You stated you case well and thanks for that well constructed website. I learned a couple of things today. ThanksD. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-78209883757049588852008-07-31T17:13:00.000-04:002008-07-31T17:13:00.000-04:009previous post removed because I had the wrong gre...9previous post removed because I had the wrong greek guy named instead of Eratosthenes)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Here's a <A HREF="http://www.bibleandscience.com/science/bibleandscience.htm" REL="nofollow">christian site</A> which talks about science and the bible.<BR/><BR/><B>Dan</B>:<BR/><I>So tell me Einstein, how did people even know that the earth was a "circle" when people in the 1400-1500 thought the earth was flat. Come on now, use some logic here.</I><BR/><BR/>You should probably watch your tone here. From the site I linked to, it shows even the Egyptians knew the shape of the earth. <BR/><BR/>There's nothing to say that just because something was known once that the knowledge couldn't get lost again. Use some logic here.<BR/><BR/>From the site I linked to above:<BR/><I>Isaiah 40:22 - The circle of the earth"<BR/><BR/>According to Morris this verse describes a spherical earth. The Hebrew word is hwg. I believe that this refers to the circular horizon that vaults itself over the earth to form a dome (Meyers 1989, 63-9). <BR/><BR/>The Babylonian Map of the world clearly shows a circular earth surrounded by a circular sea (Cuneiform Texts from Babylonian Tablets in the British Museum 1960, part xxii, pl.48; for a translation see Horowitz 1988, 147-65; 1998, 20-42). The äamaö Hymn which is written to the Sun-god says, "You climb to the mountains surveying the earth, you suspend from the heavens the circle of the lands." The phrase "the four corners of the earth" which in Akkadian is kip-pát tu-bu-qa-at eerbitti, can be literally translated "the circle of the four corners" (Grayson 1972, 105). <BR/><BR/><BR/>Upper & Lower oceans with circular earth from Tutankhamun (King Tut) 14th Century BC. <BR/><BR/><BR/>In Egyptian literature the Hymn to Ramses II found on various stela inside the temple of Abu Simbel says, "like Re when he shineth over the circle of the world" (Erman 1927, 258-9). There is another similar phrase in The War Against the Peoples of the Sea" which comes from Ramses III’s temple of Medinet Habu which says, They laid their hands upon the lands as far as the circuit of the earthÖ" (ANET 1969, 262). Keel in his book The Symbolism of the Biblical World (pp. 37-40). Has many Egyptian drawings showing a circular earth surrounded by a circular sea.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Then there was <A HREF="http://inkido.indiana.edu/a100/earthmoon7.html" REL="nofollow">Eratosthenes</A>:<BR/><I>Over two thousand years ago Greek astronomers knew that the Earth was sphereical. During lunar eclipses the Moon passes through the Earth's shadow. The Greeks noticed that the shadow cast by the Earth was always circular, and the only object that always casts a circular shadow is a sphere. Therefore, the Greeks concluded that the Earth was a sphere.<BR/><BR/>However a nagging question was how big was the Earth? About 200 BC. Eratosthenes, a Greek astronomer, discovered a way to measure the circumference of the Earth. He had heard reports from the city of Syene Egypt, which was on the equator, that the Sun shown directly down vertical wells on the first day of summer. Eratoshtenes did not observe such phenonmenon at his home, thus he concluded that the Sun never reaches Zenith at his home in Alexandria 7o north of Syene. <BR/><BR/>Eratosthenes measured the Sun to be about 7o south of his local zenith on the first day of summer (the summer solstice). Based upon this observation is concluded that distance from Alexandria and Syene must be 7/360 or 1/50 that of Earth's circumference since 360o make up a complete circle. <BR/><BR/>At the time the standardunit of measurement was called a stade and is thought to be about 1/6 of a kilometer. The distance from Syene to Alexandria was about 5000 stades. Thus, Eratosthenes estimated the Earth's circumference to be about<BR/><BR/>50 x 5000 = 25,000 stades = 42,000 km. <BR/><BR/>The modern value for the circumference of the Earth is 40,000 km. So Eratosthenes was correct to within 5% of the actual value.</I>Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-76963929971598557882008-07-28T14:43:00.000-04:002008-07-28T14:43:00.000-04:00Zilch,"Isaiah 11:1212 And he shall set up an ensig...Zilch,<BR/><BR/><I>"Isaiah 11:12<BR/>12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)"</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks, I almost forgot that one. The four corners of the earth is still used today, we can easily deduce that it means North, South, East, West meaning all over the earth.<BR/><BR/>"ENDS OF THE EARTH" refers to the whole earth <BR/><BR/>Like Job 37:12 "And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth." <BR/><BR/>Job 28:24 "For He looks to the ends of the earth, And sees under the whole heavens,"<BR/><BR/>If you take words out of context one could argue it may appear the Bible claims flatness. Also you have to take into account how they talked and the etymology of the language. Ends of the earth, four corners of the earth are expressions of "all over the earth" and the evidence points to it in other verses like Job 28:24.<BR/><BR/><I>"If so, how can you tell when the Bible is being "figurative" and when it's being "literal"?"</I> <BR/><BR/>Really? For me it is obvious that it's a parable or a hyperbole. The context and language used makes it 'mostly' obvious. I can't think of any exceptions to the rule at the moment. <BR/><BR/>"If a man walks in the woods..." parable or hyperbole<BR/><BR/>"If you sin you will burn..." literal <BR/><BR/><I>"For instance, would you go as far as Jack Chick, and say that Collossians 1:17 ("He himself existed before anything else did, and he holds all things together." - ISV) shows why protons stick together in nuclei, even though they repel one another: because Jesus holds them together? How do you know where to draw the line? "</I><BR/><BR/>First , I love that tract, thanks. Second I don't know what verse you are talking about but Colossians 1:17 is talking about Jesus, true. By the reference of the other verses <BR/><BR/>Colossians 1:16-17 "all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (KJV)"<BR/><BR/>Without Him nothing exists, it says. That leap that was made was probably because of the liberal translation. I stick to a more consistently more accurate "conservative" translation myself.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-10290803330326651112008-07-28T04:05:00.000-04:002008-07-28T04:05:00.000-04:00Dan- you have taken very simple statements from th...Dan- you have taken very simple statements from the Bible and attributed rather complex modern scientific meanings to them. I have two questions:<BR/><BR/>One- if you say that Isaiah 40:22 shows knowledge of the Earth's sphericity, what are we to make of the numerous places in the Bible where the Earth is referred to as being flat? For instance:<BR/><BR/>Isaiah 11:12<BR/>12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)<BR/><BR/>Revelation 7:1<BR/>1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)<BR/><BR/>Job 38:13<BR/>13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)<BR/><BR/>Jeremiah 16:19<BR/>19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)<BR/><BR/>Daniel 4:11<BR/>11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)<BR/><BR/>Matthew 4:8<BR/>8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)<BR/><BR/>(there are lots more <A HREF="http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A>)<BR/><BR/>Are these just "figurative"? If so, how can you tell when the Bible is being "figurative" and when it's being "literal"? This is, of course, a very general problem for Christians in interpreting the Bible, and one for which I have never heard a satisfactory answer.<BR/><BR/>Two- most of the quotes mentioned in this thread are pretty vague (with the exception of 1 Kings 7:24, which clearly states that pi=3- however, even though God missed a great opportunity to wow us here, I'll chalk this one up to the slack tolerances of architectural instructions), and it takes a lot of reading between, under, and over the lines to get them to yield the scientific marvels you claim for them. My question is: just how vague does a quote have to be before even you will admit that it probably doesn't mean anything scientific? For instance, would you go as far as <A HREF="http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp" REL="nofollow">Jack Chick</A>, and say that Collossians 1:17 ("He himself existed before anything else did, and he holds all things together." - ISV) shows why protons stick together in nuclei, even though they repel one another: because Jesus holds them together? How do you know where to draw the line?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-28352889082116341392008-07-27T16:44:00.000-04:002008-07-27T16:44:00.000-04:00Captain howdy,"And finally, let me just say that I...Captain howdy,<BR/><BR/><I>"And finally, let me just say that I'd like to see less argument between you Christians and we atheists, and more dialog.<BR/><BR/>Less heat and more light."</I> <BR/><BR/>My friend, you are now preaching to the choir. My hat is tipped in your direction. Great pointD. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-73322455266044009012008-07-27T16:30:00.000-04:002008-07-27T16:30:00.000-04:00@dan--captain howdy,(1 Timothy 1:7) ouchYou're rig...@dan--<BR/><BR/><I>captain howdy,<BR/><BR/>(1 Timothy 1:7) ouch<BR/><BR/>You're right you offered proof to the contrary, although my presuppositions are still firmly in place. You have proven your point though.</I><BR/><BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/><BR/>Well, thank you, Dan. <BR/><BR/>Let me also say that I appreciate your moderation policy. I'm used to posting to Ray Comfort's site, and it's frequently been 18 hours between the time I submit a comment and the time it appears on-screen.<BR/><BR/>And finally, let me just say that I'd like to see less argument between you Christians and we atheists, and more dialog.<BR/><BR/>Less heat and more light.captain howdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965531249778332106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-29704507297612093102008-07-27T15:54:00.000-04:002008-07-27T15:54:00.000-04:00captain howdy,(1 Timothy 1:7) ouchYou're right you...captain howdy,<BR/><BR/>(1 Timothy 1:7) ouch<BR/><BR/>You're right you offered proof to the contrary, although my presuppositions are still firmly in place. You have proven your point though. I will reserve the fact, on the other hand, that atoms are only observed through macro effects until proven otherwise.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-82778114093658105842008-07-27T11:59:00.000-04:002008-07-27T11:59:00.000-04:001 Timothy 1:7 (King James Version)King James Versi...1 Timothy 1:7 (King James Version)<BR/>King James Version (KJV)<BR/>Public Domain<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Read St. Augustine on Science and Scripture.captain howdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965531249778332106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-86354608522896372972008-07-27T10:24:00.000-04:002008-07-27T10:24:00.000-04:00Dan:You have things the wrong way round here. You ...Dan:<BR/><BR/>You have things the wrong way round here. You have given what you consider to be proof for something you have not yet defined. Science works by requiring a falsifiable definition (hypothesis) of what it is you are attempting to prove PRIOR to providing proof.giblethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12513907834781080246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-89014455935605558102008-07-27T05:38:00.000-04:002008-07-27T05:38:00.000-04:00@dan--Forgive me Captain howdy but I will remain a...@dan--<BR/><BR/><I>Forgive me Captain howdy but I will remain a skeptic since the only place I found that link is from Richard Dawkins website. Granted the picture is hosted <BR/><BR/>This picture that you include is actually a misrepresentation of an atom. These aren't atoms 'per se' we only see atoms when we look for their macro effects (shadows, and such).</I><BR/><BR/>~~~~~~~~<BR/><BR/>You're suggesting that physicists are just blindly guessing when they talk about matter being composed of atoms. You speak of "atomist propaganda."<BR/><BR/>I'm trying to show that you're talking right out of your hat, and I'm being polite. Physicists have actually photographed atoms in a lattice. I showed you such a photo. It took 2/1000ths of a second to find on google. Now you want to quibble about resolution of the photograph.<BR/><BR/>Here's a challenge for you. You say scientists are full of it when they talk about things like atoms, even after being shown a photograph. You insist there really is a God, and your opinion on the matter is not only correct, but actually inerrant--you're not only right, but it's actually impossible for you to be wrong. Your God--you insist--is really there.<BR/><BR/>Okay--Physicists are able to produce a photo of atoms. Provide me with a photo of God. Or a demon. Or an angel. Or the Holy Spirit.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>You're trying to sell me on the notion that the Holy Book you prefer is scientifically accurate. Your Holy Book describes the sun as actually moving across the sky. That means the writer of that Holy Book didn't know that the sun only appears to move--it's actually the earth that's moving. You probably don't believe that, but it's true. That raises troubling questions. If the Holy Book you prefer is that wrong about matters of established fact, then how worried should I really be about your unverifiable threats of an afterlife?captain howdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965531249778332106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-75411931454295551042008-07-26T22:12:00.000-04:002008-07-26T22:12:00.000-04:00I said in the post: "The Bible is not a science bo...<I>I said in the post: "The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate." How did I fail that statement?<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>If the bible were scientifically accurate then it should not be child's play to go back and correct the passages you chose.<BR/><BR/>The earth is not a circle, it is a sphere. Even an analogy to a spherical object would have been better.<BR/><BR/><B>FAIL</B><BR/><BR/>"Blood is the source of life and health," how is this a scientific claim exactly. "The source" implies an exclusivity of importance. However, digestion, respiration, lymph... pretty much any system in the human body is at least as responsible for life to be possible.<BR/><BR/><B>FAIL</B><BR/><BR/>Even if we ignore the above it holds no weight. It merely points out that ancient peoples were aware that if you bled profusely, you die.<BR/><BR/><B>DOUBLE FAIL</B><BR/><BR/>There are other claims that you made as scientifically accurate that amount to little more than observation of surroundings.<BR/><BR/>Among those in this category are: Each star is different, Winds blow in cyclones, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics.<BR/><BR/><B>FACEPALM FAIL</B><BR/><BR/>Most of the others you cited require the reader to strain the meanings of the passages to fit it into the explanation you want it to. See Second Law of Thermodynamics (again), and Ocean contains springs (hydrothermal vents are the same as the water table being higher than land level. O'RLY LOL)<BR/><BR/><B>FAIL TIMES YOUR MOM</B><BR/><BR/>Look, my whole point is this. If you want to post this type of drivel at some fundamentalist fan blog, that's cool. Fundies love this type of stuff. But posting it on a blog titled "Debunking Atheists" is just going to get you laughed at.<BR/><BR/>And my pointing out of 1 Kings 7:24 was not to claim that the bible said pi = 3. Its to point out that your omniscient, omnipotent deity slipped up on a golden opportunity to verify his validity. He failed too.theaceofclubzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04288501494742324121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-58248235348282325612008-07-26T20:47:00.001-04:002008-07-26T20:47:00.001-04:00Again dan,The bible does not say ANYTHNG about ato...Again dan,<BR/><BR/>The bible does not say ANYTHNG about atoms, it says that the visible is made of the invisible, meaning god. Try and read the CONTEXT of that Hebrews 11 thing.<BR/><BR/>Annoyingly,<BR/>G.E.Gabohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17552375541700079254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-81334032233148894982008-07-26T20:47:00.000-04:002008-07-26T20:47:00.000-04:00Let me finish my thought:Granted the picture is ho...Let me finish my thought:<BR/><BR/>Granted the picture is hosted by a <A HREF="http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr124/matter/matter_three.html" REL="nofollow">student/professor</A> at <A HREF="http://www.astro.virginia.edu/" REL="nofollow">Department of Astronomy at UV</A>D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.com