tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post7917928011589383838..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Incredible Creatures That Defy EvolutionD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-13820791767414368292016-12-31T18:58:36.591-05:002016-12-31T18:58:36.591-05:00typical evotard bullshit of just ignoring the gist...typical evotard bullshit of just ignoring the gist of the doco, no thought is given by the evotard to the possibility that evolution may be wrong. For all we know this whole world and all that is in it could be computer generatedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332412147285952126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-53935572762816379082013-12-12T09:26:58.820-05:002013-12-12T09:26:58.820-05:00After reading all the comments and hearing the arg...After reading all the comments and hearing the arguments against "Creation", for 1 I'm not sure everyone is even speaking the same language, and 2 it's irrelevant if the whole point is to deny God in the process by whatever slippery means possible and what is most amazing is WHY would anyone WANT to Deny God to begin with? It makes no sense other than 'intellectually it makes not sense to me' and/or "I have a problem with it".well.of course there is no god then, because that god is one's self but surely that is acting 'like' a god as if anyone would know for 'where were you when the earth was made?!" No one was there so nothing regarding how this planet got here can be proved by science since all things of science are based on an earth that is already here. . This is again the lie in the Garden of Eden the snake said (whether that story is true or not..the point is true ). Regardless, like it is sad and it's this basic, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink...and..at that point, it's like beating a dead horse..it doesn't drink..it's dead..so why do we keep trying to beat it? Only God will bring a person or lead one to his senses, (or in this case back to life with Living Water) but it's all putting the cart before the horse. It was said back then and it can be said again just as in the words of Jesus, "You stiff necked people" white washed tombs filled with dead man's bones. many are already dead, they are just awaiting to DEVOLVE back to dust. Oh, yes, Jesus definitely did exist, do the research.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01980724753973410660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-90587091066851098462013-08-12T23:15:32.002-04:002013-08-12T23:15:32.002-04:00GOLD JERRY!!! GOLD!!!GOLD JERRY!!! GOLD!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575795363212655987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-3630203931158663512012-09-22T22:02:24.787-04:002012-09-22T22:02:24.787-04:00Praying for you.Praying for you.Workoutbosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03735162858113257443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-23102140998445932102012-09-22T22:00:55.375-04:002012-09-22T22:00:55.375-04:00Praying for you.Praying for you.Workoutbosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03735162858113257443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-77416258300182285362012-09-22T22:00:08.990-04:002012-09-22T22:00:08.990-04:00Praying for you. Praying for you. Workoutbosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03735162858113257443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-65231516030125432892012-09-22T21:59:28.016-04:002012-09-22T21:59:28.016-04:00Praying for everyone on this message board.Praying for everyone on this message board.Workoutbosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03735162858113257443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-38644419163544212862012-04-29T20:19:20.743-04:002012-04-29T20:19:20.743-04:00I did provide said proof in my newest post. Basica...I did provide said proof in my newest post. Basically, God is the precondition for intelligibly. God has revealed Himself to EVERYONE, and that this is exposed with every truth claim, every knowledge claim, and even every rational thought you have.<br /><br />So tell me, how do you know your reasoning about the prostate, or anything, is valid?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-74075943707259264182012-04-29T10:01:22.047-04:002012-04-29T10:01:22.047-04:00What I'm seeing is the same old thing. If it c...What I'm seeing is the same old thing. If it can't be explained, "yet", it must have been created by some supreme being. That just doesn't cut it. That is what's called blind faith. I could ask you, where did your god come from? You would say, he was always here. You could ask me, where did the original matter that makes up everything come from? I could say, it was always here. Stalemate. No proof of any of it. <br /><br />If there is a god who made everything and is all wise and knowing, answer this one for me. Why in the world would he put a gland in a man's body surrounding the urinary tract so that when you got older and it enlarged, it would pinch off the smooth flow of urine? To me that is a really stupid design. Of course you would come back with, god works in mysterious ways, or, he does this to test us. Hmmm, again, blind faith with no proof.Steve Hollarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08541486686105529695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-2398315518627709652009-07-03T03:05:45.430-04:002009-07-03T03:05:45.430-04:00Dan, you say:
I just heard the other day about th...Dan, you say:<br /><br /><i>I just heard the other day about the sediment just after the KT boundary. It was explained that the mass of sediment must have come from the intense fire and global flooding of the supposed meteor that destroyed the Dinosaurs. No thought, or discussion, of any flood came to his mind. Of course sediment could "never" come from a global flood as described in the Bible, that would be impossible. Meh.</i><br /><br />Meh indeed. Tell me, Dan, how much do you actually know about this "mass of sediment" and "global flooding" allegedly caused by the KT event? Methinks you are indulging in wishful deluvial thinking, because there is only a very thin layer of sediment that testifies to a probable meteorite impact, containing the iridium and shocked quartz that Martin spoke of. It is found in many places around the world, but that's just to be expected: when Pinatubo erupted in 1991, dust from the explosion spread over the whole <br />Earth. And the KT event was much bigger.<br /><br />But as far as I am aware, there is no evidence for global flooding at the KT boundary or indeed at any other time. That's a story from the Bible, not from the rocks.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-11343120086027578752009-07-01T13:18:30.142-04:002009-07-01T13:18:30.142-04:00OK Stan you're completely right...
...OK Stan you're completely right...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I should of said Dr Dawkins. :7)D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-83841238625534535662009-07-01T09:25:28.458-04:002009-07-01T09:25:28.458-04:00"Yes I do Martin, evidenced by this comment.&..."Yes I do Martin, evidenced by this comment."<br /><br />We all refuted Dr Martin's points and then some. The ONLY thing you've done is focus on how we attacked his qualifications. That's all you've done. You have nothing to say at all about the actual responses we posted. Nothing.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038086497147379685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45313309049268185732009-07-01T07:50:15.974-04:002009-07-01T07:50:15.974-04:00Dan, I think the previous posts have easily refute...Dan, I think the previous posts have easily refuted this 'Dr.' Martin's points and then followed with showing that it should be no surprise since he is not qualified to critique the subject of evolution.<br /><br />You on the other hand have done nothing so far but prop up Dr. Martin's arguments on your blog and get upset when we tell you why they fail. <br /><br />If you believe Dr. Martin is correct, please respond to the points others have made that refute them, instead of engaging in the ad hominems yourself. <br /><br />Also, concerning Richard Dawkins and other authors and resources I might use, please stop making assumptions about how I evaluate them. No matter what a persons qualifications are, I do not take their claims or opinions without question. I am skeptical about everything I read and look for other sources to confirm or refute these claims. I can't speak for others here but based on what I've seen, I can assume that most of them do also.<br /><br />Word is Bond!<br />~Atomic ChimpAtomic Chimphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402712957793905056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-84446809121647691542009-07-01T04:52:01.561-04:002009-07-01T04:52:01.561-04:00Poor old Dan, another of his claims is thoroughly ...Poor old Dan, another of his claims is thoroughly debunked and all he can do is sulk and claim we cheated.<br /><br />Never mind Dan, there's always tomorrow.freddies_deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688196534481642740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-47284967676374383762009-07-01T04:15:23.156-04:002009-07-01T04:15:23.156-04:00You all are crying crocodile tears about the quali...<i>You all are crying crocodile tears about the qualifications of Dr. Martin and then you trust Richard Dawkins, an accomplished biologist granted, to run from the lab to write your bible 'the God delusion', straying out of his field with a complete ignorance of history to claim that people didn't kill in the name of atheism. Give me a break here. I will post about that tomorrow.</i><br /> <br />Dan...have you not read anything those guys posted about their refuting the points made by Dr. Martin? You've said nothing that indicates you have. You latch onto them calling him "unqualified" and you then start squealing like a pig.<br /><br />Read their comments over and respond to the rest of their points please.<br /><br />Remember what <b>Martin</b> said:<br /><i>I offered you Herman Muller's prediction of IR, Stan and everyone else responded point by point to the ridiculous creationist claims, and ALSO called Dr Martin "unqualified." <br /><br />Apparently all you heard was the last point.</i><br /><br />At least Dawkins was an actual scientist who's checked into things like evolutionary biology...<br /><br />Mind you, I've never read his books either so I don't really care.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-78486857606358488572009-07-01T01:04:53.015-04:002009-07-01T01:04:53.015-04:00...as opposed to dentistry. I'll concede this ......as opposed to dentistry. I'll concede this point, however, if you'll immediately withdraw all support for <i>Dr</i>. Martin in this matter, since he has quite obviously strayed from his own field of <i>dentistry</i>.<br /><br />Pending your approval, then, any of <i>Dr</i>. Martin's arguments which deal not with dentistry, but evolution or any other field, are moot, including but not limited to this video series. Likewise, any of Richard Dawkins' arguments which deal not with evolution, but dentistry or any other field, are moot, including applicable arguments in <i>The God Delusion</i>, though not including <i>The Blind Watchmaker</i>, <i>Climbing Mount Improbable</i>, <i>The Selfish Gene</i>, <i>The Extended Phenotype</i>, <i>Unweaving the Rainbow</i>, and others as appropriate.<br /><br /><i>...with a complete ignorance of history to claim that people didn't kill in the name of atheism.</i> <br /><br />Wait, what? Who in history has decreed that a culture, ethnic group, nationality, religious group, or individual should die as an enactment of [nobody's] will?<br /><br />You're silly. Just because you hate the fact that people <i>have</i>, and <i>do</i> kill in the name of Jesus, or Yahweh, or Allah, or every other deity, which is a crime to which Atheism is immune, does <i>not</i> mean you can just make things up. People don't kill in the name of Atheism because it doesn't make sense. If somebody <i>did</i> claim to kill in the name of Atheism, that person would correctly be classified as insane, whereas people who kill in the name of Jesus or Yahweh are more likely to be classified as a Saint, Prophet, Patriarch, Pope, or some other "holy" title.<br /><br />Your complaints against that particular argument are so silly as to betray your inner fear -- you recognize that people <i>do</i> kill in the name of your god, and you even believe this was good and proper in certain cases, and it vexes you. You recognize that the only thing separating the insanity-driven, megalomaniacal, genocidal slaughter of Canaanite cultures from the just, loving, righteous slaughter of Canaanite cultures is a sentence in a dusty book, and you see how weak an argument it is to say that killing in the name of a deity is insanity (unless that deity is mine and the killing is explicitly decreed in this dusty tome, or you agree with the killing for reasons no doubt based on interpretation of the dusty tome).<br /><br />People don't murder/kill in the name of Atheism. That's a theist problem, exclusively. Atheists don't have a category called "righteous killing"; to us, it's all insanity-driven murder.<br /><br />--<br />StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-84685270287933113742009-07-01T01:04:37.903-04:002009-07-01T01:04:37.903-04:00You all are crying crocodile tears about the quali...<i>You all are crying crocodile tears about the qualifications of Dr. Martin...</i> <br /><br />Dude. He's a dentist. I don't know how many dentists you personally know, nor how many you've had work on your teeth (though some recently, based on your root canal comments), but I know at least three personally, and have [enjoyed] the services of at least a half-dozen more...<br /><br />...and not one of them is referred to, by their own staff even, as "Doctor." The fact that you seek to call this fellow "Dr. Martin" exposes your own "labcoatauthoritarianism," or at least your desire that we'd blindly accept the words of someone with the title.<br /><br />The résumé issue stands -- qualifications are relevant. If you're going to make an argument pertinent to a particular field (especially science), yet be apparently unqualified in that field, you'd damned well better be able to back up your claims with either direct and incontrovertible evidence, or some amazing and verifiable claims of experience and/or hobby-knowledge.<br /><br /><i>...and then you trust Richard Dawkins...</i> <br /><br />Don't you mean <i>Doctor</i> Richard Dawkins? Do your attempts at inflating a person's qualifications only apply to dentists?<br /><br /><i>...an accomplished biologist granted...</i> <br /><br />Oh, some props, at least... I guess you concede, then, that Dawkins is far more qualified to speak to the Theory of Evolution than <i>Dr</i>. Martin?<br /><br /><i>...to run from the lab to write your bible 'the God delusion'</i> <br /><br />[Ed. note: book titles are <i>italicized</i> or _underlined_ (<i><u></i> is not accepted?), not single-quoted. Also, the first word, and 'major' words, in a book's title are capitalized.]<br /><br />"We" don't have a bible. "You" do. Dawkins is a prominent biologist, and <i>The God Delusion</i> works almost exclusively from a Darwinian perspective. You should read it. After all, most of us have read <i>your</i> bible...<br /><br /><i>...straying out of his field...</i> <br /><br />If religion developed through evolutionary processes, which seems to be the case, then it is very much relevant to his field...Stan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-55815832170761944212009-06-30T23:17:18.399-04:002009-06-30T23:17:18.399-04:00Yes I do Martin, evidenced by this comment.Yes I do Martin, evidenced by this comment.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-82758326282135808472009-06-30T23:09:48.169-04:002009-06-30T23:09:48.169-04:00Dan, you don't actually read anything we write...Dan, you don't actually read anything we write, do you?Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038086497147379685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-7580898568145089242009-06-30T22:22:49.042-04:002009-06-30T22:22:49.042-04:00Hey Dan. I've never read The God Delusion, so ...Hey Dan. I've never read The God Delusion, so fuck off.TJHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10570384567898770658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-74802009775331321092009-06-30T22:20:15.846-04:002009-06-30T22:20:15.846-04:00You all are crying crocodile tears about the quali...You all are crying crocodile tears about the qualifications of Dr. Martin and then you trust Richard Dawkins, an accomplished biologist granted, to run from the lab to write your bible 'the God delusion', straying out of his field with a complete ignorance of history to claim that people didn't kill in the name of atheism. Give me a break here. I will post about that tomorrow.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-40548803135089851362009-06-30T21:12:30.741-04:002009-06-30T21:12:30.741-04:00Of course sediment could "never" come fr...<i>Of course sediment could "never" come from a global flood as described in the Bible, that would be impossible.</i><br /><br />The impact theory is accepted due to high iridium content in the KT layer.<br /><br />Iridium is rare in Earth's crust but abundant in asteroids and meteors.<br /><br />You know what else is found in the KT layer but not in other layers?<br /><br />Shocked quartz.<br /><br />Do you know what shocked quartz is?<br /><br />Shocked quartz is only created by the extreme pressure caused by an impact event. It was discovered during atomic bomb testing, and around craters such as Meteor Crater in Arizona.<br /><br />In other words, <i>detective work</i> led to the impact event theory, not "anti-Biblical presuppositions."Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038086497147379685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-58943217761408566512009-06-30T21:02:10.744-04:002009-06-30T21:02:10.744-04:00I guess Ad Hom's is the 'A' game then....<i>I guess Ad Hom's is the 'A' game then. sigh.</i><br /><br />What are you talking about? We all responded to the ridiculous arguments Dr Martin made, AND called him unqualified.<br /><br />Ad hominem does not mean <i>to attack a person.</i> Ad hominem means <i>to attack a person <b>instead of</b> answering their arguments.</i><br /><br />I offered you Herman Muller's prediction of IR, Stan and everyone else responded point by point to the ridiculous creationist claims, and ALSO called Dr Martin "unqualified." <br /><br />Apparently all you heard was the last point.<br /><br />In fact, YOU are the one engaging in the ad hominem fallcy.<br /><br />You a) never responded to a single point we made and then b) attacked us for ad homs. In other words, you attacked us instead of answering the arguments.<br /><br />Irony meter, much?Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038086497147379685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-59056647477151932152009-06-30T20:17:50.021-04:002009-06-30T20:17:50.021-04:00Yes, a dentist. Just like a priest,Lemaître, was c...<i>Yes, a dentist. Just like a priest,Lemaître, was correct about the universe expanding, sarcastically dubbed 'big bang', instead of the incorrect belief, as Einstein, of steady state.<br /><br />Granted that Lemaître was a physics professor</i> <br /><br />Precisely. Lemaître was a <i>physics professor</i>. This guy is a <i>dentist</i>. Lemaître was also <i>wrong</i>, according to you, since he accepted a very old universe. What was your point, again?<br /><br />Tell you what, Dan, you said you were a small business owner. Let's say you have an opening, and you're looking to hire. How does that process go, exactly? Do you ask for, oh, I don't know, a <i>résumé</i>? Do you look over the <i>qualifications</i> of an applicant?<br /><br />Or do you just ask them what they believe regarding Genesis?<br /><br />If the position in question is that of an accountant, do you check to see if the applicant has any accounting-related education, or experience? If an applicant for this accountant position presented a résumé citing an undergraduate degree in accounting from sixty years ago, and no accounting-related work experience since, would you consider hiring him over a recent graduate?<br /><br />Credentials are not meaningless, and an exposition of them is not <i>ad hominem</i>. Nowhere did I attack the man for being a dentist, but certainly, and appropriately, I noted that whatever education he has pertaining to biology is quite outdated, failing additions to his pseudo-CV (an actual CV is evidently unavailable).<br /><br />All that being said, what of the piss-poor editing that allowed the slip of "one to the 141st power"? I allowed that the mistake is "honest," and that the guy probably meant "ten to the [whatever]," but more damning is that the mistake made it to the final cut. <i>Three times</i>. If a single knowledgeable person had watched this footage prior to its release, a simple retake could have avoided this embarrassment. Instead, it has apparently gone unnoticed to final press, and has been published with the error intact.<br /><br />Even you cannot deny that error, and if the editing/pre-screening crew did not catch it -- and I've no doubt that you didn't notice it -- what <i>other</i> factual errors might they have missed? If the production group did not hire a <i>single</i> person to verify the content for scientific accuracy, whether in the editing room or during screening, then how valuable a source is the material such a group produces?<br /><br />Seriously. In the age of the internet, digital media, and YouTube, any jackass can create a film series, and even have it look pretty. If you're going to trot out every Tom, Dick, and Jobe who claim to refute evolution and/or Big Bang cosmology (or an old universe in general), <i>and</i> stipulate that we can't say anything about their background, then you can get bent.<br /><br /><i>I learn more about Atheists everyday and this is no exception.</i> <br /><br />Yeah, and I learn more about Dan and other YECs every day, too. Today I learned that their method of evaluating a source consists entirely of verifying that the source agrees with their position. Regardless of credentials, all comers are welcome, if (and only if) they take Ken Ham's oath to affirm a literal view of Genesis.<br /><br />--<br />StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45437263683668495092009-06-30T19:00:49.297-04:002009-06-30T19:00:49.297-04:00Well, I suppose the sediment could have come from ...Well, I suppose the sediment could have come from a world wide flood. And I suppose that snakes and asses could speak. And I suppose if you put peeled, striped sticks in front of cattle when they breed it will produce cattle that are striped (or however that one goes; I may have it wrong). And I suppose that human beings who have been dead for days could live again. But then science wouldn't matter, would it? What would be the point?TJHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10570384567898770658noreply@blogger.com