tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post8296858523354535068..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Bible Doesn't Condone SlaveryD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger169125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-3283449834151506422019-05-11T19:32:53.709-04:002019-05-11T19:32:53.709-04:00Sorry but that verse doesn't prove anything.
...Sorry but that verse doesn't prove anything.<br /><br />https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/four-differences-between-new-testament-servitude-and-new-world-slavery/<br /><br />http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=1587<br /><br />Search for "Leviticus 25:44-46"<br /><br />http://www.biblequery.org/lev.html<br /><br />Search for "25:44"<br /><br />Idol Rockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11736477538585110456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-49565076150028794032019-05-11T19:24:34.666-04:002019-05-11T19:24:34.666-04:00https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuter...https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/you-may-buy-slaves<br /><br />This website is down right now it would be up and working again soon. Idol Rockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11736477538585110456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-79751859436044916892019-05-11T19:23:23.930-04:002019-05-11T19:23:23.930-04:00You're really complaining about Leviticus 25? ...You're really complaining about Leviticus 25? <br /><br />The website is down right now but it should be up and running again in a few days.<br /><br />https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/you-may-buy-slaves<br /><br />Idol Rockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11736477538585110456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-89273951381123049792018-02-15T04:59:09.703-05:002018-02-15T04:59:09.703-05:00This didn't age well dork.This didn't age well dork.Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-85454967083989404062017-10-21T18:57:23.221-04:002017-10-21T18:57:23.221-04:00Hogwash! Don't be such a dramatic dork.
&qu...Hogwash! Don't be such a dramatic dork. <br /><br /><br />"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." ~1 John 2:19<br /><br />Jesus taught it. He said those with eternal life will NEVER Perish or leave.<br /><br />"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." ~John 10:28<br /><br />So, as CS Lewis said, Hell's gates will be locked from the inside. Stop blaming everyone for your denial.Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-70485078089099299582017-10-17T08:49:40.686-04:002017-10-17T08:49:40.686-04:00Meade,
Thank you. My gratitude knows no bounds. I...Meade, <br />Thank you. My gratitude knows no bounds. I finally see the truth about Christianity for the racist bigoted religion it really is, all thanks to you. Congratulations for being the person that led me right into Atheism. You're the Christian that led me away from Christ. <br />Since the God of the Bible has no other method for Africans to be converted apart from taking them against their will (many of them dying in the process) and using them in different barbaric ways for their masters personal gain, I no longer wish to serve such a God. I do hope your daughter, son, sister, brother, or any other loved one gets kidnapped and you never ever see them again. Don't worry, their kidnapper will treat them "kind". Amen.Silver.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14046748979801086452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-6014808486896790762017-07-16T09:53:52.552-04:002017-07-16T09:53:52.552-04:00What part am I dishonest about? It just seems you&...What part am I dishonest about? It just seems you're butthurt as to the truth about Bond servants. Provide evidence for your argument. You're just CLAIMING things without any evidence. "Shocker!"Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-84411622317455413262017-07-16T09:51:39.834-04:002017-07-16T09:51:39.834-04:00How about evidencing your claims to further the co...How about evidencing your claims to further the conversation along? I love being wrong, because it means I am learning. What about judging the Judge? You barely assert I am this or that, but no substance to back up your mere claims. You'd rather I just guess as to what you're talking about? Debunking Atheists https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738373112032154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-59748111580274273292017-07-03T09:44:43.243-04:002017-07-03T09:44:43.243-04:00This statement is also a non sequitur This statement is also a non sequitur wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-24349599338440451572017-07-03T09:41:18.172-04:002017-07-03T09:41:18.172-04:00Leviticus 25 44-46Leviticus 25 44-46wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-33800504355916580582017-07-03T01:05:02.449-04:002017-07-03T01:05:02.449-04:00No it doesn't you are just too dishonest to ad...No it doesn't you are just too dishonest to admit that the bible teaches several forms of slavery because you as a presupptionalist are too dishonest to mentionwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-81966070212560822722017-07-03T01:03:06.547-04:002017-07-03T01:03:06.547-04:00I guess you still haven't realized your ridicu...I guess you still haven't realized your ridiculous double standards. Your statements about "judging the judge" shows that you are extremely irrationalwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-87481931007684728012017-04-21T13:37:59.115-04:002017-04-21T13:37:59.115-04:00The bible actually only allowed indentured slavery...The bible actually only allowed indentured slavery. <br />(voluntary)<br />There is a law repeated multiple times where it says that anyone who kidnaps a person to sell them as slaves or to keep as his own slave is to be killed.<br />Baggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093089327799778952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-58199149212278211102017-03-02T22:16:07.289-05:002017-03-02T22:16:07.289-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.A Doomed Generationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14111436352769825978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-12930255084538812872016-11-24T12:38:24.521-05:002016-11-24T12:38:24.521-05:00Please watch Exodus Revealed and Mountain on Fire....Please watch Exodus Revealed and Mountain on Fire. Two documentaries about the Exodus and Mount Sinai. It did happen and archeology proves it.<br /><br />The evidence are there, people are just looking for things in order to debunk the Bible, they are not lokoing to see if it is true, because if the Bible is true then there is a God to whom we have to give answer for our sins, and we do not want to give up those wonderful sins of ours. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09082188720994963115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-8657574306175051432016-11-01T03:07:22.715-04:002016-11-01T03:07:22.715-04:00Exodus 21:20-21 states that it is ok to beat your ...Exodus 21:20-21 states that it is ok to beat your slaves as long as the slave doesn't die within a day or two. Whether the term literally means "slave" as we think of slavery in the west, an indentured servant, a manservant or a maidservant is completely irrelevant. The Bib;e condones beating another human being half to death. <br /><br />As if this wasn't clear enough to show the barbarity that is all too common in the Bible, Deuteronomy 18:20-21 commands the Israelites to "stone an unruly child!"<br /><br />This is what you call the "Good Book"?!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11802641217158902586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-32389191434937812802016-04-09T23:25:01.393-04:002016-04-09T23:25:01.393-04:00I'm a Christian and I don't like slavery, ...I'm a Christian and I don't like slavery, but I believed God allowed slavery in the USA so that the Africans could become Christians. Many people were kind to their slaves and set them free in their wills. Also, the war between the states was not fought over slavery, but economics. Meade Skelton Haufehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16392770184791569797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-2271925271843586012016-01-18T10:27:43.602-05:002016-01-18T10:27:43.602-05:00I'm a christian and you are correct. Christian...I'm a christian and you are correct. Christians have done a LOT of harm indeed along with good which cannot be denied either. The Roman catholic chapter of Christianity, it's origins n how the whole western Europe was made christian is a bloody tale isn't it? If you faithfully look at history you will realise that the eastern church was never imperialistic but more monastic/ritualistic. Having said that the Eastern church did not have a reformation n I would say that the western church both catholic n Protestant did a lot of good too even though they have a bloody history.One does not sense that kind of fervour from the eastern church in their eastern context to bring in social change egg figures like William Wilberforce n others who championed against slavery. Where was that kind of reform in the East n where is the eastern church now!! except trying to maintain ancient traditions!! I say this as someone born into this eastern tradition. They did speak against caste discrimination but not nearly enough to bring about a radical change!!At the end of the day the church is one body n it has always contained imperfect people as well as wolves. I wish Jesus spoke against slavery n a LOT of other things!! but He sowed seeds and the western civilisation would have been very different if not for Christianity in spite of the many evils it committed knowingly and unknowingly . As for the southern Christians in America, they need a good knock on their heads. Unfortunately they seem to be too many. An environment hostile to Christianity will help to purify it. American church needs to be really poked in every way possible with their own beliefs by the rest if the church n outsiders. Very difficult lot to deal with!Diyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16044754820424779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-82268738241401730962016-01-18T10:26:03.592-05:002016-01-18T10:26:03.592-05:00I'm a christian and you are correct. Christian...I'm a christian and you are correct. Christians have done a LOT of harm indeed along with good which cannot be denied either. The Roman catholic chapter of Christianity, it's origins n how the whole western Europe was made christian is a bloody tale isn't it? If you faithfully look at history you will realise that the eastern church was never imperialistic but more monastic/ritualistic. Having said that the Eastern church did not have a reformation n I would say that the western church both catholic n Protestant did a lot of good too even though they have a bloody history.One does not sense that kind of fervour from the eastern church in their eastern context to bring in social change egg figures like William Wilberforce n others who championed against slavery. Where was that kind of reform in the East n where is the eastern church now!! except trying to maintain ancient traditions!! I say this as someone born into this eastern tradition. They did speak against caste discrimination but not nearly enough to bring about a radical change!!At the end of the day the church is one body n it has always contained imperfect people as well as wolves. I wish Jesus spoke against slavery n a LOT of other things!! but He sowed seeds and the western civilisation would have been very different if not for Christianity in spite of the many evils it committed knowingly and unknowingly . As for the southern Christians in America, they need a good knock on their heads. Unfortunately they seem to be too many. An environment hostile to Christianity will help to purify it. American church needs to be really poked in every way possible with their own beliefs by the rest if the church n outsiders. Very difficult lot to deal with!Diyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16044754820424779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-83036737607612907662015-12-17T03:19:25.763-05:002015-12-17T03:19:25.763-05:00Sorry but christians have more blood on there hand...Sorry but christians have more blood on there hands than any other group of humans. Imagine how many native americans and indios in south america where killed by nasty christian murderers. They sayed they bring civilization. But they brought death and destruction. Stop to pick and choose what you like you monster. Even today yankees use mexicans as slaves. They tread them like cattle. Man how you cant see all this things happen??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472196029439226950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-2347600684385298412015-11-10T17:17:06.681-05:002015-11-10T17:17:06.681-05:00So Josh, what you just did was called "beggin...So Josh, what you just did was called "begging the question?" In other words, under whose authority can slavery be declared universally immoral?<br /><br />D.A.N., actually the word "bondservant" is a softening of the original concept. The correct translation is, as Josh states, "slave." OTOH, you are right. Without the ability to call on a higher authority, any claim to moral authority instantly implodes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050233919433682477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-67349756324258363742015-11-10T17:07:09.219-05:002015-11-10T17:07:09.219-05:00Dan, I like most of what you say. OTOH, the New Co...Dan, I like most of what you say. OTOH, the New Covenant Church Kingdom did not literally replace the Old Covenant Messianic Kingdom of David - we are grafted into the tree of Abraham. (see Romans 11. It also clarifies that Israel has not lost God's promises to them, so while I have no issue with Covenant theology as a timekeeping system, I categorically reject Replacement Theology.)<br /><br />Also, look up the Hebrew word for servant in Leviticus 25; you will find that it was softened in translation. The literal meaning is, "Don't make slaves of your fellow Hebrews, because they are already slaves to me. I bought them from the auction block that was Egypt, and they became my slaves. Don't steal my property."<br /><br />OTOH, this does not preclude the OT practice of selling oneself into slavery to pay off a debt. Jews could still be slaves, but only voluntarily.<br /><br />Also, see my other comments in this topic. The NT mentions slavery over 100 times, but only three are translated "slave." Most are translated "servant," and at least one, referring to Christ coming to earth, says He took the form of a "man." The Greek word is doulos. Look it up - Christ became a slave for us.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050233919433682477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-40268569118769637182015-11-10T16:57:02.171-05:002015-11-10T16:57:02.171-05:00Oh, wow, this just got real.
Stan, you make some ...Oh, wow, this just got real.<br /><br />Stan, you make some excellent points, but also some rather wrong ones, too.<br /><br />You are right - the Bible does acknowledge slavery, and even regulate it. However, this is not condoning. For example, marijuana is legalized in Colorado, and if I were a junior senatorial candidate, I would definitely agree with regulating it, but this by no means indicates that I condone it. Your statement assumes that god INSTITUTED slavery; slavery was happening already (viz. Egypt,) and God merely created controls to prevent it getting further out of hand. He could have put His foot down and squashed human nature entirely, but as I stated in an earlier comment, Galatians shows that the Law was never intended to save people, but to show them that they could not live perfectly enough to redeem themselves. (For further evidence on this topic, study Romans.)<br /><br />The Bible does have quite a bit to say about economic slavery separate from other, non-causal laws regulating slavery, but be honest: when has anybody (except possibly those in the world of BDSM) held slaves for any other reason than economic ones? To claim this statement as false is wrongheaded. On the other hand, you are right. The OT does not specify the entry requirements for slave ownership.<br /><br />In the defense of "slavery as an economic issue," I can also answer one of your rhetorical questions; the Bible states that slaves could be owned 7 years, or until the Year of Jubilee (a once-every-50-years event,) whichever came FIRST. Further, that master must care for his slave during that period, and if a slave died under bondage, the master was responsible for that death. It was not all whips and chains, the way many portray Bible slavery.<br /><br />The Bible also allowed for slaves to attach themselves to a master by the barbaric method of nailing themselves to his door. By doing so, they were required to remain slaves for life, but the master also could not get rid of them for any reason - they became his ward.<br /><br />All of this to say, when we speak of slavery nowadays, it is a rather different beast from the slavery discussed in the Bible.<br /><br />I would caution one more thing: I am sure, with a little digging, that I could find a person named Stan who was guilty of murder. It would be outright dishonest of me to then state that all people named Stan are murderers. The same goes for all people named Ted Bundy, by the way, unfortunate though that name must feel for people who live under it.<br /><br />To claim that ALL Christians act in any way at all is just as disingenuous. The claim that "Christianity" has caused more deaths in history than any other religion is equally disingenuous, because there are more flavors of Christianity than any other religion in existence. You must parse for the individual aspects that went into the version of Christianity that you wish to condemn, and even then you have to parse for the specific individuals that you wish to condemn.<br /><br />To do otherwise is disingenuous.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050233919433682477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-75984180297881763142015-11-10T16:31:52.199-05:002015-11-10T16:31:52.199-05:00I just discovered this thread, sorry for the necro...I just discovered this thread, sorry for the necropost.<br /><br />Might I point out that it is called "faith" for a reason? Too much time is spent on trying to prove/disprove the Bible, and as a believer I do not think it can ever be proven. On the flipside, it can also never be disproven.<br /><br />Finally, Froggie, I recently ran into this article:<br />http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/GTY129/servant-or-slave<br /><br />The Bible definitely discusses slavery, and even explicitly acknowledges it. On the other hand, it is never treated in a "condoning" light. Look at Paul's Letter to the Galatians about the reason for the Law: it was created because of the rise of iniquity, and it was not intended to be followed perfectly, but to present us with the fact that we CANNOT follow it perfectly. Essentially we are all going to hell if we rely on our own actions to get us to heaven!<br /><br />God uses the picture of slavery to illustrate our position first to Satan, and again to God once we accept Christ's redemptive action of dying on the cross.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050233919433682477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-6898915675865359732015-11-08T16:25:41.141-05:002015-11-08T16:25:41.141-05:00The bible also condems atheism. Do atheists accept...The bible also condems atheism. Do atheists accept that as wrong?Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18156282858723549831noreply@blogger.com