tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post1862663545758851732..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Defending the Christian FaithD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger983125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-24015314164277754832009-02-09T21:29:00.000-05:002009-02-09T21:29:00.000-05:00How hard is it for -three- people to keep someone ...How hard is it for -three- people to keep someone dancing?<BR/>Sye needed that much help? Wuss!ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-89059217127477754682009-02-09T21:16:00.000-05:002009-02-09T21:16:00.000-05:00Yup. Most of the Raytractors concluded the same, ...Yup. Most of the Raytractors concluded the same, and that he fell into some obvious traps.<BR/><BR/>Being unprepared about presupp tactics, it would have been fairly impressive if he had come out on top. I'm not sure I'd accuse Sye & crew of being dishonest, but I don't think they really argued anything, either. They kept Josh dancing, and that's all...Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-23704344228417347322009-02-09T21:10:00.000-05:002009-02-09T21:10:00.000-05:00(I've listened to the first half of the Josh/Sye "...(I've listened to the first half of the Josh/Sye "debate")<BR/>Josh would have done better if it wasn't a three person pile-on and if he'd been better prepared.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-85028008304483352422009-02-09T21:07:00.000-05:002009-02-09T21:07:00.000-05:00I'm not disagreeing - but it's about as formal as ...I'm not disagreeing - but it's about as formal as Christian debates get :)Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-58180023336797879562009-02-09T20:37:00.000-05:002009-02-09T20:37:00.000-05:00That's not a formal debate.That's not a formal debate.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-28328280236611365572009-02-09T19:59:00.000-05:002009-02-09T19:59:00.000-05:00Sye's repeatedly challenged his detractors (Hey! ...Sye's repeatedly challenged his detractors (Hey! I have a great ide... oh, nevermind...) to debate him on the radio. I believe the format would be similar to the one that occurred here (links to it from <A HREF="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/12/battle-of-wits.html" REL="nofollow">Dan's blog entry on the subject</A>).Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-35304794878476703362009-02-09T18:02:00.000-05:002009-02-09T18:02:00.000-05:00Sye wants a formal debate? What kind of formal de...Sye wants a formal debate? What kind of formal <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate" REL="nofollow">debate?</A><BR/><BR/>I'm familiar with Mace and Australasia style debate. What will be the statement to be debated? Where will the debate be held? Who oversees it to make sure both are following formal debate rules? Has Sye thought this through? <BR/>Once you've pointed out his "argument from ignorance" he's basically lost any style of formal debate.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-67171707610677520542009-02-09T05:53:00.000-05:002009-02-09T05:53:00.000-05:00Sye has still not explained his latest self-contra...Sye has still not explained his latest self-contradiction. Here it is again:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sye has said both:<BR/><BR/>"<I>impossibility of the contrary</I>" (with respect to his worldview)<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>"<I>I have never claimed that it would be impossible</I>" (with respect to a contrary worldview)<BR/><BR/>A blatant direct contradiction. <BR/><BR/>In his attempt to wriggle out of sounding like an idiot Sye called me a 'quote-miner'. Yet in the <B>same</B> post he gave this gem:<BR/><BR/>"<I>Yes, I positted that all contrary worldviews are impossible, I just never said that about that particular one (about Pink Hammers) specifically because it has been my position to only address those worldviews which people actually hold.</I>"<BR/><BR/>What!!?? He really has lost his marbles. He repeats the same self-contradictory claim whilst at the same time he tries to call me a quote-miner.<BR/><BR/>He continually demands that I participate in a formal debate on this, and then critisizes me for declining. Formal debates, as we know, are far inferior platforms for honest debate as they are very 'off the cuff' and dishonest people, like Sye, can score easy points on irrelevant topics. We are already debating here, and I had initially challenged Sye to refute my worldview. So in reality, it is <B>he</B> that is declining <B>my</B> challenge, for obvious reasons...<BR/><BR/>Now will he admit his error or back himself further into that corner?rhiggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16246371823456833408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-68953022987172274612009-02-09T05:42:00.000-05:002009-02-09T05:42:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.rhiggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16246371823456833408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-49678937210603371882009-02-08T23:33:00.000-05:002009-02-08T23:33:00.000-05:00Bart said: ”No matter how you want to swing it Sye...Bart said: ”No matter how you want to swing it Sye, I have said I do not know for certain. It appears to be predictable based on past experiences”<BR/><BR/>What you continually fail to realise is that basing ANYTHING on past experiences is to assume uniformity IN ADVANCE. On what basis do you do so?<BR/><BR/>”All I have said is that I am certain that my consciousness and my senses exist.”<BR/><BR/>Please tell us how you are certain of this. (Then perhaps you can tell us how you know that your senses are valid).<BR/><BR/>Sye, when I saw this on Friday, I really needed to go away for a couple of days to avoid saying something rude. I don't know how many times I need to answer the same questions. Do I need to use different words? Seriously, if you don't like my answers, then address them, don't just keep asking the same questions.<BR/><BR/>I assume uniformity because the my experience has shown that uniformity largely exists. The existence of my senses and consciousness is self evident. <BR/><BR/>Maybe you can try answer some of the questions I and others have posed to you.<BR/><BR/>The biggie - how do you know that God tells the truth, doesn't change and is revealing stuff to you? Because he tells you so? Couldn't an all powerful yet evil or semi-evil god reveal untrue things to you in a way that you would be certain they are true? How do you know that you are not just delusional or one of those people that really believes they are certain but are not correct in their certainty?<BR/><BR/>And, furthermore, you have clearly stated your belief that God has predetermined that one set of people will go to heaven and the other to hell. You claim that despite the fact that god made and chose certain people to be non-christian and thus condemned to hell, it is each such person's fault. Am I getting this right? Do you think that is a logical belief system? If you believe this is true, why are you even here bothering to make arguments (apparently) desinged to convince atheists to become Christians? If god meant them to be saved or not saved, he has chosen their path. Correct? So what is your point in going around from blog to blog arguing with atheists?<BR/><BR/>And Dan seems more of the missionary-type, hoping to convert people. Dan, do you agree with Sye that an all knowing god has predetermined and made certain people to be tortured for eternity such that people have no real choice as to be moral or not? If you disagree with Sye, then how can you agree with his presuppositional argument since its "logic" falls apart if these things are not true?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199156131540769389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-77462659932913653382009-02-08T17:23:00.000-05:002009-02-08T17:23:00.000-05:00Blind Freddy can see the problems with Sye's circu...Blind Freddy can see the problems with Sye's circular arguments. <BR/>And her arguments from ignorance: "You don't know how, then God did it!"Flutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04636653543618773903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-54955514984999578332009-02-07T22:36:00.000-05:002009-02-07T22:36:00.000-05:00You can tell Sye is scared to answer some question...You can tell Sye is scared to answer some questions...<BR/>Can't someone lob him some thing easy that he already has a scripted response too? 'Karn guys? Anyone?Flutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04636653543618773903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-1456730825867431612009-02-07T19:35:00.000-05:002009-02-07T19:35:00.000-05:00Stan's question is similar to my question which yo...Stan's question is similar to my question which you seem to be ignoring. How did you test your revelation to see if it comports with reality?ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-12620174374876114392009-02-07T18:33:00.000-05:002009-02-07T18:33:00.000-05:00Sye? Did you forget there was a question you hadn'...Sye? Did you forget there was a question you hadn't answered?<BR/><BR/><I>Since there are obviously some people who believe they are certain, who are not certain, how do you know that you are not one of those people?</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I'm sure you're busy preparing your answer, so I'll just check back later.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/>StanStan, the Half-Truth Tellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260266801557543879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-64145646849675670242009-02-07T18:14:00.000-05:002009-02-07T18:14:00.000-05:00Yeah, what ATVLC said!Yeah, what ATVLC said!Debunkey Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355896606457674317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26138082121200648322009-02-07T17:33:00.000-05:002009-02-07T17:33:00.000-05:00You don't really have to change your life, you jus...You don't really have to change your life, you just have to get forgiven.<BR/>Which is why serial killers can repent in jail and go to heaven but the serial killers' non-christian victims go to hell so God can continue to torture them.<BR/>Great system!ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-74309319260187836882009-02-07T17:28:00.000-05:002009-02-07T17:28:00.000-05:00How can John and Luke be absolutely sure of that, ...How can John and Luke be absolutely sure of that, Dan? <BR/><BR/>I don't believe the Bible, and in fact, I outright dislike it because if it were true, it would mean that I would have to change my entire life accordingly.<BR/><BR/>Many of the teachings in the Bible I don't believe in... like there being a God.Debunkey Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355896606457674317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-61830270951120906522009-02-07T16:59:00.000-05:002009-02-07T16:59:00.000-05:00Kaitlyn,Let's not use the Bible, let's look for te...Kaitlyn,<BR/><BR/><I>Let's not use the Bible, let's look for texts that don't have anything to do with the Bible.</I><BR/><BR/>John 1:1, 1:14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."<BR/><BR/>There is no reason for anything else because if you cannot believe in the Bible then nothing else will work either. (Luke 16:31)D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-77420567393844595882009-02-07T15:35:00.000-05:002009-02-07T15:35:00.000-05:00"You would have to be omniscient to substantiate t..."You would have to be omniscient to substantiate this claim, a very quality which you deny exists."<BR/><BR/>Why? I don't have to be omniscient to substantiate my claim. The lack of evidence is enough for me to make that claim!<BR/><BR/>"Um, like say, the Bible?"<BR/><BR/>I forgot about that, but what about texts outside the Bible? Let's not use the Bible, let's look for texts that don't have anything to do with the Bible.<BR/><BR/>There is none?<BR/><BR/>What a surprise!Debunkey Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355896606457674317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-55816384640519859112009-02-07T15:24:00.000-05:002009-02-07T15:24:00.000-05:00Kaitlyn said: "Sye, God doesn't exist though."You ...Kaitlyn said: <I>"Sye, God doesn't exist though."</I><BR/><BR/>You would have to be omniscient to substantiate this claim, a very quality which you deny exists.<BR/><BR/><I>"If God did exist, then I would know about it, and I don't."</I><BR/><BR/>You are "sruppressing the truth in unirighteousness" (Romans 1: 18-21)<BR/><BR/><I>"Clearly, someone would have written a record or something at least if God was real."</I><BR/><BR/>Um, like say, the Bible?Sye TenBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05695428662014842212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-89703900193057910112009-02-07T15:06:00.000-05:002009-02-07T15:06:00.000-05:00Sye, God doesn't exist though. If God did exist, t...Sye, God doesn't exist though. If God did exist, then I would know about it, and I don't. Clearly, someone would have written a record or something at least if God was real.<BR/><BR/>Sye, your argument is nothing but conjecture.Debunkey Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355896606457674317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-17536606452951502052009-02-07T13:35:00.000-05:002009-02-07T13:35:00.000-05:00ATVLC said: "The "right" answer doesn't imply any ...ATVLC said: <I>"The "right" answer doesn't imply any gods exist."</I><BR/><BR/>Take that up with Kaitlyn. :-DSye TenBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05695428662014842212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26641129308555983582009-02-07T13:17:00.000-05:002009-02-07T13:17:00.000-05:00The "right" answer doesn't imply any gods exist. A...The "right" answer doesn't imply any gods exist. And certainly not Sye's god.<BR/>Just because you don't know something doesn't automatically mean a god did it.<BR/>Now. How did you test your revelation to see if it comports with reality?ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-15669403394141841582009-02-07T10:17:00.000-05:002009-02-07T10:17:00.000-05:00Kaitlyn said: "That's not fair because the "right ...Kaitlyn said: <I>"That's not fair because the "right answer" would imply that God exists"</I><BR/><BR/>I'm glad we agree :-)Sye TenBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05695428662014842212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-11233514499245080942009-02-07T10:14:00.000-05:002009-02-07T10:14:00.000-05:00Sye quoting someone else:”Nice try, but that dodge...<B>Sye quoting someone else:<BR/><BR/>”Nice try, but that dodge isn't even artful. I didn't ask what your god may have done, I asked if it were possible that an evil god may have fed you disinformation.“</B><BR/><BR/><I>No it’s not, because God has revealed to us that He is the only God that exists, and has revealed some of His characteristics, such that we can know them for certain.</I><BR/>How can you know those characteristics for certain? How can you see if they "comport to reality"? You've never dealt with that, I see.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You haven't asnwered the question. How do you know that it's not an evil god that's given you this "revelation" and that he's lied about some of his or her characteristics?<BR/><BR/>You've went in a circle, saying basically that you know your god's characteristics because your god tells you what they are. Yet there's no way to test them.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.com