tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post2797108511954507061..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: Planned Parenthood Aids Pimp’s Underage Sex RingD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-18552336462373517192011-10-08T12:59:19.632-04:002011-10-08T12:59:19.632-04:00Romania is a mafia state with not working administ...Romania is a mafia state with not working administration governed by organized crime.<br /><br />Human trafficking in Romania is a state policy and a modern retail which feed corruption and organized crime. Organized crime is constantly looking for legitimate business that could be used as a cover.Behind such companies, actually hiding network specializing in recruitment of girls who end up prostitute.<br /><br />These companies are used as a mask, to support illegal activities, to wash the money, but also because leaders mobs to be seen as successful entrepreneurs.<br /><br />Besides these companies, strongly related with them, in the town of Curtea de Arges (Romania) exist more mafia groups(indestructible mafia groups) which with the complicity of local taxi drivers, recruit, transport, and place girls to practice prostitution, girls which later are trafficked external.<br /><br />According to data held by the Italian authorities in Roma: 85% of prostitutes in Rome are romanian woman. In Milano: eight of ten prostitutes which practice “job” in Milano are romanian woman including Ioana Visan, Berlusconi's hooker from Curtea de Arges (Curtea de Arges, pimps factory from Romania, manager: local corrupt police) arrived in Italy by prostitution networks from Curtea de Arges<br /><br />Cars of the pimps from Curtea de Arges who recruit girls from prostitution and customers for them: B-14-WXH - prostitute-pimp who was married with Caroli Pici, said Loti, a member of a criminal gang George Nan by world involved in human trafficking, kidnappings, usury and murders, thefts from apartments, and car thefts, and that on the June 20, 2004 abducted and kidnapped Anna Maria Valdata, the italian wife of a tycoon for which demanded a ransom of 1 million euros: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nightmare-of-kidnapping-returns-to-italy-as-millionaires-wife-is-held-733071.html <br /><br /> <br /><br />http://ziare.zaraf.ro/articol8544/RAPITORUL-MILIARDAREI-INFRACTOR-INTERNATIONAL.htm <br /><br /> <br /><br />http://archivio.panorama.it/home/articolo/idA020001025842 )<br /><br />and B-34-TND: pimp - one of the mob leaders from Curtea de Arges<br /><br /> <br /><br />About the pimp Caroli Pici, nick Loti and local corrupt police from Curtea de Arges:<br /><br />http://www.ziarulprofit.ro/archives/6159<br /><br />http://www.ziarulprofit.ro/archives/10990<br /><br /> <br /><br />http://www.bitpress.ro/articole/dezvaluiri/4078/berlusconi-are-o-amanta-din-curtea-de-arges-ioana-visan-la-orgiile-cu-premierul-italiei.html<br /><br /><br />http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-regional_europe-6153792-ioana-visan-the-presumed-prostitute-italian-berlusconi-was-fired.htm<br /><br /><br />http://www.cancan.ro/showbiz/sexy/cu-ea-a-mers-in-patul-lui-berlusconi-146292.html<br /><br />...in Denmark, Romania is the country with the most prostitutes and according to Europol, Eurojust, The Times, CNN, the first exporter of prostitution in Europe is Romania.<br /><br /> <br /><br />German Bundestag: "Corruption in Romania is a worrying problem. It's not a sporadic apparition is a systematic phenomenon.”.<br /><br />El Pais about Romania: corrupt and without money.<br /><br />La Croix: Romania, the most corrupt country in Europe.<br /><br />Tel Aviv: Corruption in Romania is a national disease.<br /><br />The Times: Romania is the first exporter of prostitution.<br /><br />Transparency International: In Romania, the atmosphere is filled with corruption<br /><br />Jan Marinus Wiersma: Romania still needs another 25 years to eradicate corruption<br /><br />Geert Wilders: Romania and Bulgaria should be excluded from the EU due to high corruption and irregularities which make them unsuitable as members of the EU.Izabelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611959264345953754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26855750706786571792011-02-15T22:37:19.457-05:002011-02-15T22:37:19.457-05:00http://www.atheistpropaganda.com/2011/02/theists-j...http://www.atheistpropaganda.com/2011/02/theists-justification-for-genocide.html<br /><br />my favorate part was this<br /><br />"Here's an idea.... if your god hates these things so much, why don't you let IT kill these people? Why does it need YOU and your scumbag kind to help it? Why does this impotent omnipotent being never do anything for itself? If it wants these people to die, let it take care of them. Maybe if they don't all die immediate horrible deaths, it's a sign that either a) your god doesn't mind these things and possibly even endorses them, like slavery, or b) it doesn't exist at all. If a god only acts through the actions of humans, how can we distinguish between those acts and acts which are committed by humans alone?"ANTZILLAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588266412434898900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-17376453307897601942011-02-15T00:31:15.287-05:002011-02-15T00:31:15.287-05:00Dan
Well, you caught me at my bias. God made the c...<b>Dan</b><br /><i>Well, you caught me at my bias. God made the choice to take the Canaanite children home. I do not fully understand it, but I trust it. Its done by His hand, so its righteous and good. Abortions, on the other hand, is being done at the had of people, not God. Howard Huge difference.</i><br />How so? Let's see:<br /><br />The women who had abortions did so willingly; the ones who god wanted killed had their children taken away from them <b>without their consent</b>, and they were killed too!<br /><br />Yeah, that's one huge difference there, buddy.<br /><br />Your god is <b>worse</b>, by far than any even "backstreet" abortionist.<br /><br />I've said it before and I'll say it again: Any christian who calls themselves "pro-life" is lying. Pure and simple.<br /><br />Any one going for an abortion is morally able to call you a hypocrite to your face and is morally capable of telling you to go "eff" yourself.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-12597129091120463422011-02-14T23:14:19.969-05:002011-02-14T23:14:19.969-05:00Would you know if your god was giving you a false ...Would you know if your god was giving you a false revelation, Dan?<br /><br />In anticipation of your probable response ("lying is contrary to the nature of god!") I put it to you that if you are prepared to claim that slaughtering babies is not murder when your god does it, then presumably delivering false revelation doesn't count as lying, either, when your god does it.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-66616045995490300102011-02-14T20:54:50.527-05:002011-02-14T20:54:50.527-05:00Yea Dan, I particularly like Psalm 137:8-9 where g...Yea Dan, I particularly like Psalm 137:8-9 where god is all about throwing infants on the rocks in revenge.<br /><br />Yea, its OK if its god gingerly killing them on the rocks below for his master plan.<br /><br />The fact that you think anything is OK as long as its god doing it is frightening. Glad to see you finally admit it though. After all of these other occasions where you tried to weasel your way out of it with your twisted logic, its rather refreshing for you to be more honest with us.<br /><br />~Atomic ChimpAtomic Chimphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402712957793905056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-21243789857197948972011-02-14T20:18:23.379-05:002011-02-14T20:18:23.379-05:00Well, you caught me at my bias. God made the choic...<i>Well, you caught me at my bias. God made the choice to take the Canaanite children home. I do not fully understand it, but I trust it. Its done by His hand, so its righteous and good. Abortions, on the other hand, is being done at the had of people, not God. Howard Huge difference.<br /><br />Even if the kids of Andrea Yates are in Heaven, it does not make it right, because as the Bible says, if you murder someone you shall be put to death. </i><br /><br />Wow. Caught out in moral relativism. Nice one, Dan.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-17728409966181262002011-02-14T19:20:33.467-05:002011-02-14T19:20:33.467-05:00Trino,
>>Why shouldn't the Canaanite ch...Trino,<br /><br />>>Why shouldn't the Canaanite children be allowed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as well?<br /><br />Well, you caught me at my bias. God made the choice to take the Canaanite children home. I do not fully understand it, but I trust it. Its done by His hand, so its righteous and good. Abortions, on the other hand, is being done at the had of people, not God. Howard Huge difference.<br /><br />Even if the kids of <a href="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/08/enacting-gods-will_06.html" rel="nofollow">Andrea Yates</a> are in Heaven, it does not make it right, because as the Bible says, if you murder someone you shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:12)<br /><br />>>What on earth did the poor animals ever do?<br /><br />Well, lets sit down for a steak dinner and talk about it. :7)D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-18866910902303767632011-02-14T18:56:38.502-05:002011-02-14T18:56:38.502-05:00Just to be clear, I'm not arguing for abortion...Just to be clear, I'm not arguing for abortion. I'm simply focusing on the story about the Canaanites. It's interesting, however, to see what you consider to be the best solution for the two cases. For modern-day children on the verge of being aborted, you believe the greater good would be to allow them to survive and live a full, blessed life. For the Canaanite children, you believe the greater good was to take them up into heaven. Correct me if you didn't mean it that way, but that seems very inconsistent to me. Why shouldn't the Canaanite children be allowed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as well? <br /><br />I've also noticed that you describe abortion as a violent, bloody affair, while the Canaanites were simply "taken home". Nowhere in the scriptures does it indicate that those children were killed any more gently than the adults, but yet you don't seem to flinch at the idea of them being killed just as brutally as an aborted child.<br /><br /><i>Which is a better life, being sacrificed by your parents or living knowing that you were rejected or being at home with our kind gentle Creator in Heaven forever?</i><br /><br />It sounds like your answer to that question is "it depends on when and where you were born".<br /><br />Also, I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't comment on the most pertinent aspect of my post: What on earth did the poor animals ever do? :-)Trinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564250997375256589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-44821277240224038132011-02-14T18:42:01.697-05:002011-02-14T18:42:01.697-05:00Wem,
>>Dan seems to get a sense of satisfac...Wem,<br /><br />>>Dan seems to get a sense of satisfaction by being an asshat.<br /><br />You really want <a href="http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfh0afIxqjei4OBk9P4jE4N8KRW3E_jc5mDoLCVugum_oRaFb1" rel="nofollow">one</a>?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-12483492013126060362011-02-14T18:35:02.397-05:002011-02-14T18:35:02.397-05:00Wem,
>> I simply can't stomach a person...Wem,<br /><br />>> I simply can't stomach a person who's so enthusiastically dishonest in talking about things he claims are important - which is why I wont talk with him any more.<br /><br />I cannot stomach your fallacious arguments. (Argumentum ad populum, Appeal to emotion, etc.)<br /><br />If you claim it, it MUST be true right Wem? *pshawD. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-5787748686920516232011-02-14T18:27:39.324-05:002011-02-14T18:27:39.324-05:00DD,
>>Precisely how does a supernatural ent...DD,<br /><br />>>Precisely how does a supernatural entity have a nature, Dan?<br /><br />Wait, I just <a href="http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2011/02/predestination-for-atheists.html?showComment=1297725903625#c7209229696553612039" rel="nofollow">answered that</a>. This dance between posts is dizzying.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-90734971973690967102011-02-14T17:53:10.711-05:002011-02-14T17:53:10.711-05:00Trino,
>>I know the conversation has kind o...Trino,<br /><br />>>I know the conversation has kind of moved on, but I'm still curious as to how some of you see the killing of the Canaanite children and animals as a sensible thing.<br /><br />The difference is when we murder someone we are REMOVING them from our only plane we know and are in right now. We are getting rid of a human FROM us by aborting them. The same was for the Canaanite children. They have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We deny them that God given right. If they don't want children, don't do the thing that makes them.<br /><br />God, on the other hand, brings children HOME to Him. He is calling them home for a better life to be with Him. God KNOWS better then us. I trust His plan and ways. Which is a better life, being sacrificed by your parents or living knowing that you were rejected or being at home with our kind gentle Creator in Heaven forever? Its obvious.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-47914967662181126052011-02-14T14:12:54.737-05:002011-02-14T14:12:54.737-05:00Dormant Dragon wrote the following to me: I don...Dormant Dragon wrote the following to me: <b>I don't really mind not actually engaging Dan in discussion, since he's shown himself much less interested in actually arguing his position than in juvenile point-scoring - but from what I've gathered, that's pretty much the presup MO.</b><br /><br />That's been my experience too. Although introduced to presuppositionalism via Sye and Dan, every single presup-apologist I've encountered does exactly they same thing: they stifle conversation until you're willing to convert.<br /><br />I don't have to agree with someone in order to converse with them. Heck, I seem to be one of the few who's willing to admit to discussing things (readily) with Stormbringer. We agree to disagree - what MORE could you want from a verbal opponent?<br /><br />Dan's not like that, and I haven't met a presuppositional apologist who is. They're not interested in conversation. They merely want you to go away. Dan seems to get a sense of satisfaction by being an asshat.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-82387465575762851792011-02-14T12:27:39.205-05:002011-02-14T12:27:39.205-05:00Dan, I was away on vacation. I actually was down i...Dan, I was away on vacation. I actually was down in one of the places in America that is densely populated with the likes of you. <br /><br />Anyway, I just wanted to respond to your response to my last post. As usual you take my comment out of context. I clearly mentioned about DormantDragons post previous to mine and was very clearly extrapolating on his point. I never said anything about laws or legality but instead spoke on education since you had made the statement to just 'close your legs' instead promoting recklessness. I wanted to point out that it takes far more sex than you seem to think to have better results.<br /><br />As for more VD in the places with a fuller sex education in schools and public resources, I would like to see your resource for this information. <br /><br />~Atomic ChimpAtomic Chimphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402712957793905056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-16435301217993800922011-02-14T10:28:51.192-05:002011-02-14T10:28:51.192-05:00It would be highly dishonest of me to say I'm ...It would be highly dishonest of me to say I'm expecting miracles, WEM :)<br /><br />The truth is, I've spent a fair bit of time nutting out this whole presup thing, and I'm content with getting straight in my own mind exactly why it's bullshit - justifying the hunch, I guess. <br /><br />I don't really mind not actually engaging Dan in discussion, since he's shown himself much less interested in actually arguing his position than in juvenile point-scoring - but from what I've gathered, that's pretty much the presup MO. Asking questions he's not prepared to answer seems to be the best way to shut down his merry-go-round of demands that we concede his conclusions before he's even made an argument.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-37591866139940796122011-02-14T09:58:36.801-05:002011-02-14T09:58:36.801-05:00You've arrived at the position I currently fin...You've arrived at the position I currently find myself. Dan's responses are nothing more than static, and he doesn't appear to be interested in addressing the problems with his world view.<br /><br />DD (and the rest of you), I applaud your willingness to discuss these things with him. I simply can't stomach a person who's so enthusiastically dishonest in talking about things he claims are important - which is why I wont talk with him any more. <br /><br />I hope you folks manage to get him to get him to deal with you honestly. I was unable to.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-23734518803349835642011-02-14T09:20:17.342-05:002011-02-14T09:20:17.342-05:00Oh, and another thing - if Dan really supposes tha...Oh, and another thing - if Dan really supposes that his god can slaughter babies for an undisclosed "morally sufficient" reason, then he's got no grounds for claiming that his god might not give him false revelations for a similarly undisclosed morally sufficient reason. So much for his basis for all possible knowledge.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-78275466083563333062011-02-14T09:04:48.945-05:002011-02-14T09:04:48.945-05:00Indeed, nothing at all is objective in Dan's w...Indeed, nothing at all is objective in Dan's worldview, because he believes everything has its source in the mind of his god - therefore, subjectivity is all.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-87049290441395699432011-02-14T07:57:57.340-05:002011-02-14T07:57:57.340-05:00Dan makes the same mistake as most Christian funda...Dan makes the same mistake as most Christian fundagelicals do: he assumes "objective morality" means "right/wrong in all places at all times under all circumstances".<br /><br />Unless, of course, one of those circumstances happens to God himself. He made the rules, he can do anything he wants.<br /><br />aka. even under Dan's definition, objective morality doesn't exist. He's just too pig-headed to admit this.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-63803802039126051942011-02-14T06:38:24.117-05:002011-02-14T06:38:24.117-05:00Unless you are arguing that its universally true t...<i>Unless you are arguing that its universally true that its moral relativism.</i><br /><br />This statement sets up a false dichotomy between absolute and arbitrary, Dan.<br /><br />Furthermore, you are confusing universal morality with objective morality. Something does not have to be wrong for all beings at all times and in all circumstances in order to be objectively wrong for a particular being in a particular time and particular circumstances.<br /><br />And if you are really arguing that killing babies is <i>universally</i> wrong, then you have contradicted yourself, because then it would be wrong for your god too, at least when it was acting within this universe.DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-88716584160607971582011-02-14T05:47:05.378-05:002011-02-14T05:47:05.378-05:00God can only do what His Nature is.
Precisely how...<i>God can only do what His Nature is.</i><br /><br />Precisely how does a supernatural entity have a nature, Dan?<br /><br />Having a particular nature implies limits. I thought you believed your god had none.<br /><br />Is it now your contention that your god is not omnipotent?DormantDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345423282928392517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-37409903160644045342011-02-13T17:08:31.939-05:002011-02-13T17:08:31.939-05:00I know the conversation has kind of moved on, but ...I know the conversation has kind of moved on, but I'm still curious as to how some of you see the killing of the Canaanite children and animals as a sensible thing. Even allowing for the whole clay-potter dynamic, why not flex that omniscience and omnipotence to kill only those who were involved in the killing of children? Or at the very least restrict the killing to adult humans. I'm not looking to fan any flames or take sides, just curious about that particular fact.Trinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564250997375256589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-19968732285192434622011-02-13T16:39:52.549-05:002011-02-13T16:39:52.549-05:00Wem,
>>I'm willing to bet that no matte...Wem,<br /><br />>>I'm willing to bet that no matter no long we discuss this, neither Rhomphala nor Dan will concede their arguments boil down to moral relativism.<br /><br />Only in your SUBJECTIVITY ONLY worldview. Its merely subjectively moral relativism in your viewpoint, on a personal level. Unless you are arguing that its universally true that its moral relativism. If so, then you already lost the argument. For the sake of this argument, I could not care less about your mere OPINION.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-81272327957384268822011-02-13T16:36:32.779-05:002011-02-13T16:36:32.779-05:00-gasp-
Dan- he's calling us that naughty word ...-gasp-<br />Dan- he's calling us that naughty word again! Waaaaahhhh!!! Boo hoo hoo! I want my moooommmmmaa! <br /><br />WEM, are you used to hitting/causing brick walls with those words? Is that your trick card up your sleeve? Is that what usually 'sends the Christians running'?<br /><br />We're not vampires and that ain't a bulb of garlic. Hocus pocus. Voodoo. Spell casting. Blah blah.<br /><br />Moral relativism encompasses views and arguments that people in various cultures have held over several thousand years. <br /><br />The Word of God and its morality transcends time. God's Word is FOREVER.<br /><br />Heaven and earth will pass away, but His Word will stand FOREVER.<br /><br />Go ahead and believe your man-made ideas....beware though, they are subject to change every time your emotions shift.<br /><br />But as for me and my house....we will serve the Lord. His Words are SURE. They don't change. They are forever. <br /><br />One more thing about the human heart and mindset:<br />(Jer 17:9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?Rhomphaia (Sword)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12100627374635570751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-30525390176500834932011-02-13T15:56:41.253-05:002011-02-13T15:56:41.253-05:00DD,
>>The creator can do whatever he wants ...DD,<br /><br />>>The creator can do whatever he wants with the creation.<br /><br />NOT AT ALL!! God can only do what His Nature is. He cannot be evil, lie, or murder. Again capital punishment is not murder. We have been through this though. I understand, its hard to break from your religious dogma.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.com