tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post3845833589197443763..comments2024-03-19T01:46:23.275-04:00Comments on Debunking Atheists: National DefenseD. A. N. http://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-9610821522364176772012-01-12T17:27:08.974-05:002012-01-12T17:27:08.974-05:00No need to Wem
I dedicated a post to it. bit.ly/w...No need to Wem<br /><br />I dedicated a post to it. <a href="http://bit.ly/whyevil" rel="nofollow">bit.ly/whyevil</a>D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-51574417944468253152012-01-12T07:23:32.485-05:002012-01-12T07:23:32.485-05:00people will be glorifying God by choosing to go th...<b>people will be glorifying God by choosing to go the Hell for all of eternity. All things are for His glory</b><br /><br />I'm just gonna quote that and let it sit there for everyone to enjoy.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-64758473357081652992012-01-10T19:44:20.473-05:002012-01-10T19:44:20.473-05:00Nothing "apparent" about it if you'r...Nothing "apparent" about it if you're demented enough to actually believe that people "choose" to go to hell when in actuality we don't believe it exists!<br /><br />And just how is that "glorifying" biblegod anyway?<br /><br />To make this nonsense even worse, calvinists believe that it's god who determines ahead of time who will and who will not go to heaven and hell.<br /><br />Wow.<br /><br />Imagine a potter who makes mostly crap and some very good stuff and then says that the fact that he makes mostly crap that he has to destroy somehow makes him look better.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-70926541958924395432012-01-10T18:10:45.406-05:002012-01-10T18:10:45.406-05:00>>So, this means you could lie or tell the t...>>So, this means you could lie or tell the truth, and nothing you'd say could bring glory to God. Interesting. <br /><br />Nope. In fact people will be glorifying God by choosing to go the Hell for all of eternity. All things are for His glory. Even my apparent wickedness.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-50821805367845280162012-01-10T16:34:38.698-05:002012-01-10T16:34:38.698-05:00Do you think your behavior here glorifies God, Dan...<i>Do you think your behavior here glorifies God, Dan?</i><br /><br /><b>No, more like filthy rags</b><br /><br />So, this means you could lie or tell the truth, and nothing you'd say could bring glory to God. Interesting.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-26794810280383608052012-01-10T15:26:48.079-05:002012-01-10T15:26:48.079-05:00" The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; ..." The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." ~ Psalm 51:17D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-57812329873200755842012-01-10T13:27:27.845-05:002012-01-10T13:27:27.845-05:00Poor, broken, mentally exhausted, Dan.Poor, broken, mentally exhausted, Dan.Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-79641286790852652292012-01-09T21:01:26.637-05:002012-01-09T21:01:26.637-05:00>>Do you think your behavior here glorifies ...>>Do you think your behavior here glorifies God, Dan?<br /><br />No, more like filthy rags<br /><br />"and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags" ~Isaiah 64:6D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-6311309296098173362012-01-09T17:21:22.411-05:002012-01-09T17:21:22.411-05:00Dan quoting me:
>>You just admited above tha...<b>Dan quoting me:<br />>>You just admited above that without biblegod, you have no reason to care about other people.</b><br /><br /><i>Actually, without God there is no justification or account as to why you should.</i><br />So you <b>are</b> a sociopath then. So the xian sense of morality <b>is</b> the same as that of a child who only does things because his parents are watching him. <br /><br />Thanks for the admission. Without biblegod belief to hold you in, you would see no harm in murdering, rape, theft, etc. no matter the harm that it does to other people. <br /><br />0channeling "Onslo" from "Keeping Up With Appearances")<br />Nice!(/channeling)<br /><br /><i>Are you now claiming you can get an "ought" from an "is"?</i><br />How so? I'm claiming that if we actually care about ourselves and <i>each other</i> and our race as a whole we have to act in a certain way to make sure that our race continues, so that our children can have something to inherit. <br /><br /><br /><br /><i>God cannot act inconsistent with his own nature silly.</i><br />Are you admitting then that your god is a baby killer? A being who approves of genocide? Why the pretext that you and your god are "pro-life" then? <br /><br />Are you one of those people like the Calvinists who claim that "god can do whatever he wants"?<br /><br />What about lying then?<br /><br /><i>Its wrong to steal because God is not a thief.</i><br />And it's wrong to lie because "god is not a liar", right? Except with that case when he told Samuel to lie about why he was going to David's father's farm?<br /><br /><i>You know this though. Denial, and being difficult, is your M.O. after all.</i><br />Give ONE example, please.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-24229629003312453332012-01-09T12:56:42.258-05:002012-01-09T12:56:42.258-05:00Actually that doesn't even cover everything. I...Actually that doesn't even cover everything. I've been thinking too much of written language that I forgot about spoken language. The speed at which a language is spoken can very greatly in different countries. Even people who have a good understanding of French language and grammar can't understand a native speaker who speaks faster than they are used to.<br /><br />Pronunciation of words even in the same language is something that varies greatly from place to place.MaxFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17914750241106724861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-68708699096780629692012-01-09T12:44:25.581-05:002012-01-09T12:44:25.581-05:00"That even if there were intelligent alien li..."That even if there were intelligent alien life somewhere in the universe, or any universe, that spoke something that sounds like it came from a Star wars bar, that no matter how advanced, or how evolved their civilization. Their language would follow the laws of logic in a very universal, and absolute, way just like us."<br /><br />So lets see if I understand this: If something obeys the law of non-contradiction it is universal. My thoughts are now universal. They either are my thoughts or they aren't, so non-contradiction applies. Some might say you've proven the reverse, that logic is universal not language, but I guess we can just humor you and say everything is objective and universal because everything follows the laws of logic.<br /><br />Of course you still haven't disproved that language is based on societal agreement. Maybe an example will help. Ignoring for a moment all the different languages lets just use one language, English. In some countries there is a word spelled, "colour", but in other places that same word is spelled, "color". The different societies came to different agreements about how the word is to be spelled.<br /><br />And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The letters used in a language, the vocabulary, the grammar, the spelling and definitions of words, are all based on societal agreement not a universal standard.MaxFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17914750241106724861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-36780662494133524222012-01-09T07:47:00.335-05:002012-01-09T07:47:00.335-05:00Do you think your behavior here glorifies God, Dan...Do you think your behavior here glorifies God, Dan?Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-45924686143143970542012-01-09T06:34:15.427-05:002012-01-09T06:34:15.427-05:00BTW, I just did a *facepalm with your "moral ...BTW, I just did a *facepalm with your "moral mandate" straw man assertion.<br /><br />>>God who acts inconsistently with his own moral mandates =/= account for morality <br /><br />God cannot act inconsistent with his own nature silly. Its wrong to steal because God is not a thief. You know this though. Denial, and being difficult, is your M.O. after all. <br /><br />Riddle me this Batman: Are miracles against natural laws, or against God's nature? <br /><br />If they are against natural laws, does that necessarily mean they are against God's nature? <br /><br />So, in a long winded way, my point is that God's nature IS morality. Its not possible to be inconsistent with His own nature. This is why your reasoning is reduced, once again, to the absurd. <br /><br />Keep the comedy coming though. My DVR is full with unnecessary entertainment. I get all I need at this blog.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-57765374006703194962012-01-09T06:20:13.622-05:002012-01-09T06:20:13.622-05:00Reynold,
>>You just admited above that with...Reynold,<br /><br />>>You just admited above that without biblegod, you have no reason to care about other people.<br /><br />Actually, without God there is no justification or account as to why you should. <br /><br />Are you now claiming you can get an "ought" from an "is"?<br /><br />*rest fists on chin.<br /><br />>>You do some good cherry picking of the bible to pretend that your god is "love" but we all know that a being who orders genocide has no true clue of the concept.<br /><br />Pretty rich with irony from a man that just did a Taxicab fallacy. We have been over this before, what you call "genocide" was Capital Punishment. How do you know your reasoning is valid?<br /><br />>>Then of course, there's hell itself. Oh yeah, what a testament to "love" that is!<br /><br />Perfect love is a constant confronter. You wish there were no speeding laws or no laws what so ever, for anything? That society be based on, in its strictest form, the arbitrary merit system? Are you perfectly insane, or a complete hypocrite? <br /><br />You're invoking your "moral standard" by telling people its wrong to steal and you go to jail IF you do. Are you not? So what is the difference? Oh that is right, your mantra of "God does not exist because He is bad".<br /><br />"Society sends you to jail if you steal, society is bad"<br /><br />You're a dork. Please repent.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-69797537717372965032012-01-09T06:07:39.634-05:002012-01-09T06:07:39.634-05:00MaxFF,
Ref, straw man of "societal agreement...MaxFF,<br /><br />Ref, straw man of "societal agreements" of languages.<br /><br />Lets drive it home.<br /><br />No matter what "possible" world, or universes, that there could be, the Law of Non-contradiction (LNC), would still apply universally. The implications are fantastic. That even if there were intelligent alien life somewhere in the universe, or any universe, that spoke something that sounds like it came from a Star wars bar, that no matter how advanced, or how evolved their civilization. Their language would follow the laws of logic in a very universal, and absolute, way just like us.D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-29352523790202943972012-01-08T20:17:12.071-05:002012-01-08T20:17:12.071-05:00Thanks for admitting that Deist.
DO you admit tha...Thanks for admitting that Deist.<br /><br />DO you admit that you're an Atheist now Wem?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-55741771459558443292012-01-08T19:08:41.805-05:002012-01-08T19:08:41.805-05:00Hypocrisy at its finest here folks.
Indeed, Dan. ...<b>Hypocrisy at its finest here folks.</b><br /><br />Indeed, Dan. Indeed.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-7428189443336561632012-01-08T12:25:29.516-05:002012-01-08T12:25:29.516-05:00So Dan has created a false dichotomy between and o...So Dan has created a false dichotomy between and objective and universal standard, and personal opinion, leaving out the fact that some things are societal agreements. Money is not universal nor is it personal, it is a societal agreement that a coin or piece of paper can be exchanged for goods, despite the money having absolutely no use of its own. <br /><br />Language is neither universal, because there are many languages, or personal, because you can only communicate if you can agree on the meaning of words. In fact the development of language is analogous to the development of morality, new words are often not accepted by the older generation, but if they gain enough support in the new generation eventually the new words get official recognition as part of the language.<br /><br />In the same way new moral ideas are often rejected and suppressed by the older generation but if those ideas gain support in the younger generation those ideas will eventually be accepted as moral. Those same "radicals" who changed the standard of morality will fiercely resist attempts by future generations to change it further.MaxFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17914750241106724861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-33156627171514780792012-01-08T12:07:46.038-05:002012-01-08T12:07:46.038-05:00" Poor kid, does your wife have a penis?"..." Poor kid, does your wife have a penis?"<br /><br />That's the kind of thing I hear true Christians say everyday.TJHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10570384567898770658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-70272409973817463132012-01-08T08:30:06.122-05:002012-01-08T08:30:06.122-05:00I think the mental strain Dan must be under has se...I think the mental strain Dan must be under has sent him over the edgeAlex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-2544504326434141672012-01-08T04:32:40.016-05:002012-01-08T04:32:40.016-05:00Dan...all you did was verify what I said earlier. ...Dan...all you did was verify what I said earlier. You just admit above that you don't see any value in the continuance of the human race! <br /><br /><br /><b>Dan, quoting me:<br />They're telling their kids that there is no real reason to be good to others except that biblegod expects it of them.</b><br /><i>Is that absolutely wrong?</i><br />You just admited above that without biblegod, you have no reason to care about other people.<br /><br />You do some good cherry picking of the bible to pretend that your god is "love" but we all know that a being who orders genocide has no true clue of the concept.<br /><br />Then of course, there's hell itself. Oh yeah, what a testament to "love" that is!<br /><br />You keep saying that it's the atheist view that's subjective. Baloney. Your view is worse. If biblegod says to kill kids, then it's ok. If humans do it for whatever reason it's wrong (at least we'd agree on that last part).<br /><br /><br /><i>Reason for morality =/= account for morality</i><br />How so? <br /><br />By the way, Dan... <b>God who acts inconsistently with his own moral mandates =/= account for morality</b>Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-60810692255716119312012-01-08T03:27:24.188-05:002012-01-08T03:27:24.188-05:00>>Without kids, the human race can't con...>>Without kids, the human race can't continue, you know.<br /><br />Why are you assuming that is the goal? Your worldview, in the end is just...end. Purposeless.<br /><br />Would you grant this, that your worldview only allows for time and chance acting on matter, that its just the material universe, that its just random, there is no guidance, there is no governance, no sovereign, no purpose or plan over the universe?<br /><br />>> …it is you who has the worldview that can NOT consistently say that child-killing is wrong.<br /><br />Sure I can. The entire Bible is about love. To love thy neighbor. Liberties. Our consciences reaffirms that. You know with complete certainty this is so, YET, you cannot account as to why. Care to try?<br /><br />"Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." ~ 1 John 3:15<br /><br />You justify it with chemical reactions, but its love. Remember <a href="http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=zmlw3gLCLHA" rel="nofollow">this gem</a>?<br /><br />>> You people claim "absolute morality" but in reality, that's bullshit.<br /><br />Wait, so morality is merely subjective? Everyones personal morality is acceptable?<br /><br />>> The other problem with Dan's point of view (which claims that atheists don't have a basis for morality from our worldview) is that they are all rejecting every and any reason that any atheist can give to be moral.<br /><br />Reason for morality =/= account for morality<br /><br />>> What kind of morality do you think that these people are teaching their children?<br /><br />What does it matter if its SUBJECTIVE?<br /><br />>> They're telling their kids that there is no real reason to be good to others except that biblegod expects it of them.<br /><br />Is that absolutely wrong?D. A. N. https://www.blogger.com/profile/11745259115723860852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-10678379624194089932012-01-07T21:34:57.822-05:002012-01-07T21:34:57.822-05:00Dan doesn't give two shits about logic or reas...Dan doesn't give two shits about logic or reason, despite his bleating to the contraryAlex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-2385258292911084862012-01-07T19:03:48.898-05:002012-01-07T19:03:48.898-05:00Dan quoting me:
I'm trying to say that you are...<b>Dan quoting me:<br />I'm trying to say that you are a moral hypocrite.</b><br /><i>Your worldview cannot even account for that as being wrong. How is it absolutely wrong? Or is that merely just your arbitrary opinion?</i><br />"aritrary"? Are you joking? What's so "arbitrary" about caring about little kids? Without kids, the human race can't continue, you know.<br /><br />And you have missed the obvious point that since it's your god who is responsible for child-killing in the OT, it is <b>you</b> who has the worldview that <b>can NOT</b> consistently say that child-killing is wrong.<br /><br />It's telling that you don't even try to justify that shit anymore, but instead just try to dodge the issue.<br /><br />Yeah...Myers had you kind of people pegged Dan. You people claim "absolute morality" but in reality, that's bullshit.<br /><br />The other problem with Dan's point of view (which claims that atheists don't have a basis for morality from <i>our</i> worldview) is that they are all rejecting every and any reason that any atheist can give to be moral.<br /><br />In other words, they are saying that there is no reason to be moral or to care for others or to give a damn about the future of humanity, really. The only reason for morality as they see it is that they figure that biblegod is watching over their shoulders.<br /><br />That's the same kind of "morality" that a child has.<br /><br />Or a sociopath with a leash...<br /><br />I wouldn't care overmuch, except for this: What kind of morality do you think that these people are teaching their children?<br /><br />They're telling their kids that there is no real reason to be good to others except that biblegod expects it of them. Atheists, they are told, have no reason to act moral at all.<br /><br />So, what do you think can happen if any of those kids gives up their faith later on?Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771612431511732960.post-3991346719830781872012-01-07T16:51:49.946-05:002012-01-07T16:51:49.946-05:00What's that meant to even mean, Dan? Clearly y...What's that meant to even mean, Dan? Clearly you're becoming incoherent as your delusions start to unravelAlex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.com