I was contemplating a way to introduce a Narnia Story witnessing website since the Prince Caspian Blu-ray came out. Then our good friend Dr. Hendrik van der Breggen, who wrote that great article "Reasonable Skepticism about Radical Skepticism", added an article to his blog that exceeded all expectations that I had about just highlighting a website.The doctor included evolution into the post that I found brilliant on his blog called Apologia. The post of his was so well done I suggest you go read it directly since I could not do it's proper justice to emulate the argument here without a shameless c/p.
I would love to hear the evolution promoters at this blog opinions on his article. In my opinion it's just another two points in the slam debunk that has been made about evolution. How much of a pummeling are you going to take before your logic kicks in?
Here’s the argument made by C. S. Lewis (modified by University of Notre Dame philosopher Alvin Plantinga)"Evolutionary theory on the assumption of an unguided, unplanned process of genetic mutation and natural selection guarantees at most that we behave in ways conducive to immediate survival."
So how does one explain how we seek to know much, much more than what’s required for mere immediate survival? Time, effort, and energy is being spent way beyond an atheistic evolutionary theory. If it "is true, then our beliefs about logic (beyond rudimentary logic) and mathematics and science—especially deep scientific theories—should be, very probably, dubious."
In quoting Lewis, Dr. Van der Breggen slams it home with this nugget: "But now an epistemological (knowledge) problem arises for atheistic evolution: It is a deep scientific theory, which, if true, very probably shouldn’t be believed to be true.
Go figure."
Plus, that Narnia Story website that I wanted to to highlight is appropriately called NarniaStory.com I suggest you listen to it before the drunks are on the road tonight. This may be your last chance. Stay safe!
Dan,
ReplyDelete"In my opinion it's just another two points in the slam debunk that has been made about evolution."
Evolution is only debunked in the minds of delusional fundamentalists. Before you start listing scientists that are creationists, don't do it. They make up less that one half percent of the Natural Science community.
I find it rather telling that you are now using children's books of fiction to state you case.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteBy the way, van der Breggen has become the laughing stock of the scientific aaand philosophical community with this little gem:
Criticism 1: Intelligent design is not falsifiable or testable.
Reply: This is patently untrue. The intelligent design hypothesis predicts (retrodicts) that life’s origin is due to an intelligent cause, be it God or whomever. The hypothesis is falsifiable/testable because, in principle, evidence can be mustered to show that an intelligent cause was at work or not."
In principle?
Give me a break. This is insane!
Here's what the blogger wrote:
ReplyDelete"Here’s the argument (modified by University of Notre Dame philosopher Alvin Plantinga). Evolutionary theory on the assumption of an unguided, unplanned process of genetic mutation and natural selection guarantees at most that we behave in ways conducive to immediate survival."
I'm no biologist, but I know enough about evolutionary theory that Darwinian Evolution is not only about "immediate survival."
If this were the case, peacocks wouldn't have bright feathers, dogs wouldn't fetch sticks, and birds wouldn't sing.
The blogger then wrote:
ReplyDeleteTherefore, if atheistic evolutionary theory is true, then our beliefs about logic (beyond rudimentary logic) and mathematics and science—especially deep scientific theories—should be, very probably, dubious.
In a sense I agree with this blogger. We are not born with any sort of grand understanding of how the universe operates. We have to learn logic, mathematics, and science on our own since evolution did not implant these things naturally into us.
However, our brains are adapt at navigating the environment and communicating with each other, which is what you would expect if we had evolved.
Only through study and examination can one finally understand principals like gravity and neutrino formation that govern the universe. A newborn child is not a good source of information to ask why electrons have mass.
The blogger then write:
ReplyDeleteBut now an epistemological (knowledge) problem arises for atheistic evolution: It is a deep scientific theory, which, if true, very probably shouldn’t be believed to be true.
I've heard this type of argument from C.S. Lewis before, and it never made much sense to me. If our brains are untrustworthy, then we are unable to rely on our senses for survival, and thus we die.
Therefore, even from an evolutionary perspective, there is a certain level of certainty we can expect from our nervous system assuming we are not suffering from any diseases.
The blogger then writes...
ReplyDelete"But another problem also arises. We know much, much more than what’s required for mere immediate survival (think of particle physics, lasers, etc.).
So?"
But we are not born with knowledge of lasers and particle physics meaning evolutionary theory did not give us this knowledge. We learned it on our own.
The blogger wrote:
ReplyDelete"Well, it turns out that our knowledge of physics, lasers and the like is suggestive evidence for thinking that our brains and senses are intelligently designed (for truth seeking)."
Curiosity is a common trait among primates and other mammals like cats and dogs. There is no need to invoke the supernatural to explain a trait we see commonly expressed in animals roughly related to our own branch on the evolutionary tree.
The blogger continues...
ReplyDeleteThis means that when we discuss evolution and its philosophical implications, the apparent evidence of intelligent design which arises from our ability to reason and do science in the first place should be considered.
There is no philosophical implications of evolutionary theory. To think otherwise is called the naturalistic fallacy.
Similarly, there is little to no evidence of intelligent design. Every bit of genetic, fossil, and observational evidence unearthed supports evolutionary theory.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteI'm no biologist, but I know enough about evolutionary theory that Darwinian Evolution is not only about "immediate survival."
If this were the case, peacocks wouldn't have bright feathers, dogs wouldn't fetch sticks, and birds wouldn't sing.
Let me ask you some questions to help your logic along.
1) Why do you think peacocks have bright feathers?
2) Why are dogs acclimated well and instinctually fetch sticks?
3) Why do birds sing?
Analyzing the answers to these three questions should help.
Birds sing and peacocks have bright feathers to attract mates. Dogs chase sticks because they are playful. :)
ReplyDeleteKaitlyn: six comments in a row. That's a new record for this blog, I believe.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course you're right. True, evolutionary theory doesn't directly explain the invention of lasers, but it shouldn't have to. Does the Bible explain lasers? Or hula hoops?
Happy new year, everyone.
No, Dan. Answering the questions will have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
ReplyDeleteThe issue is that your boy says the theory of intelligent design is falsifiable. He is wrong.
I can help your logic with this statement.
I have an invisible midget in my closet. Falsify that statement.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in jail, they would not give me a bible.
But they did give me a copy of "Lilith" by George MacDonald.
The forward was written by CS Lewis so I figured it was alright.
It was not!
G MacDonald was a defrocked heretic priest and Lilith was pure occult filth. Lewis claimed MacDonald as a major influence, in fact Lewis lifted many things from Lilith in the Narnia stories.
When I got out of jail I did a bit of research on the Narnia stories and was shocked at what I found.
(I had never read them before)
Please do a bit of research starting here-
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/narnia-trouble.htm
I pray the God will open your eyes to the Narnia deception as He did mine.
I know this is like kicking a holy cow for many, but the truth is the truth.
Shalom,
Dani' El
Dani'el: nothing like a bit of Christian in-fighting to brighten up an atheist's morning. So C.S. Lewis is now taboo? Who's next- Benny Hinn? Fred Phelps? Are there any true Christians out there?
ReplyDeleteI suspect that part of Lewis's charm is exactly what the article you linked complained about: he is soft on magic, soft on belief in other gods, and big on reason and loyalty. That makes his books, whatever their other faults, more interesting, attractive, and warm than, say, the Left Behind series. But that leaves Lewis open to attack by conservatives, for whom he is too wishy-washy a Christian.
For instance, not many fundamentalists could be happy about the scene in The Last Battle where the Calormene (= Muslim) soldier Emeth goes to Heaven even though he worshiped Tash (= Allah or the Devil) and not Aslan (= Christ) just because he was true and good. Aslan tells Emeth 'all the service thou hast done to Tash, I accept as service done to me' and further explains 'no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him'. Nice sentiment, but nowhere to be found in the Bible, where a spade is a spade, and goodness by any other name stinks.
I, personally, loved the Narnia books as a kid, and I didn't notice the Christian overtones at all. When I was older, I still found that they had redeeming qualities, for instance in comparison to Tolkien's LoTR: while the Narnia books are of course much simpler, the characters are warmer and their faults are more endearing.
Nowadays, of course, I find the obvious faults of sexism and bad logic (Lewis's trilemma, for instance) disturbing.
Dan: about the article on Apologia you linked: it's not exactly news that Plantinga doesn't know diddly squat about evolution. As I pointed out in another thread here, Plantinga's reasoning (to use the term very liberally) depends upon thought experiments he made up about how frogs (and people) think, and goes from there. Please read the discussions I linked to in my comment and come back, if you want to talk about Plantinga.
Froggie: of course you are right about ID not being falsifiable. The "Intelligent Designer" is infinitely malleable and can move goal posts at will, being invisible and omnipotent. So it turns out that the bacterial flagellum is not irreducibly complex after all? No problem, shift over to blood clotting sequences. Those are explainable too? Okay, how about...? ad infinitum.
cheers from frosty Vienna, zilch
Z- Dani'el: nothing like a bit of Christian in-fighting to brighten up an atheist's morning. So C.S. Lewis is now taboo? Who's next- Benny Hinn? Fred Phelps? Are there any true Christians out there?
ReplyDeleteOne reason I don't hesitate to correct my brothers in public is to show how true christians exhort and correct each other in love.
We are often accused of blindly supporting each other to a fault.
My concern is not only for Dan, but for his dear children.
Any true christians? Precious few, esp in America, but this too is the fulfillment of prophecy.
The great falling away, or apostasia/apostasy is fulfilled in people like benny hinn, Phelps, on and on.
These false teachers of the last days are warned of in great detail in the eschatology of the bible.
And it is one reason that many, even someone like Dan who is truly saved, the elect, can make such errors.
z-I suspect that part of Lewis's charm is exactly what the article you linked complained about: he is soft on magic, soft on belief in other gods, and big on reason and loyalty. That makes his books, whatever their other faults, more interesting, attractive, and warm than, say, the Left Behind series. But that leaves Lewis open to attack by conservatives, for whom he is too wishy-washy a Christian.
For instance, not many fundamentalists could be happy about the scene in The Last Battle where the Calormene (= Muslim) soldier Emeth goes to Heaven even though he worshiped Tash (= Allah or the Devil) and not Aslan (= Christ) just because he was true and good. Aslan tells Emeth 'all the service thou hast done to Tash, I accept as service done to me' and further explains 'no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him'. Nice sentiment, but nowhere to be found in the Bible, where a spade is a spade, and goodness by any other name stinks.
D- Thanks for making my case.
Dan, see?
This and more shows the Narnia series to be one of Satan's greatest deceptions.
z- I, personally, loved the Narnia books as a kid, and I didn't notice the Christian overtones at all. When I was older, I still found that they had redeeming qualities, for instance in comparison to Tolkien's LoTR: while the Narnia books are of course much simpler, the characters are warmer and their faults are more endearing.
Nowadays, of course, I find the obvious faults of sexism and bad logic (Lewis's trilemma, for instance) disturbing.
D- As you should as an unregenerate pagan.
Lewis is so dangerous as he is one of Satan's most cleverest of bait and switches.
Lewis wrote many very cleverly written truths, so many conclude, "Well Lewis is all right, so it must be safe to give the Narnia books to my kids".
The kids conclude all the pagan creatures that Aslan defends, fauns, centaurs are ok. The "great magic" "magic horns" Aslan dining with false gods like Bacchus etc.
Then they move on to Harry Potter, and off they go.
I noticed that when the Narnia movies came out, (by the wicked Disney corp) they were heavily marketed to churches.
And right on the heels of the Narnia movies came several of similar title and appearance like "the spiderwick chronicles" and others that promoted atheism and demonology.
A classic bait and switch.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Dani'el: so Disney is wicked too? Is nothing sacred? True, ol' Walt was legendarily stingy with paying his cartoonists, and when he decided to use Stravinsky's music to accompany "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", he allegedly offered Stravinsky only a hundred bucks for the rights, and said, "we don't recognize Russian copyright laws- take it or leave it- I'm using the music in any case". But Disneyland is responsible for spreading the American Way across the world- doesn't that count for something?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the compliment: I don't think anyone has ever called me an "unregenerate pagan" before. Ah, Bacchus!
And as far as Harry Potter goes: sorry, I like the books. My daughter Rozzle was lazy about learning to read English (much harder than German because of the silly spelling) but she got impatient with my reading the books aloud and started reading them for herself. Now she is teaching English here in Vienna. True, she is an atheist, like her father and brother, but at least we will be together in Hell, along with lots of other interesting people: Kaitlyn, Benny Hinn, Froggie, Hitler, etc. etc.
cheers from frosty Vienna, zilch
Zilch-
ReplyDeleteDisney was a freemason and antisemite. He froze his head in a vain attempt to resurrect himself. Yet another one of Satan's lies.
Long before Harry Potter it was the Magic Kingdom and Sorcerers Apprentice.
Disneyland was one of the first Companies to hold same sex nights in their parks.
And if you mean the "American way" of materialism and greed?
Then agreed, they spread it and spread it thick.
Disney is the worst of evils, the intentional targeting of children.
Zilch,
You won't be even able to recognize the company in hell for the smoke and darkness, or hold discussions over the screams.
Is this what you want for your daughter?
Shameful.
Dani'el: how do you know what it will be like in Hell? Maybe it will be just one big party. That's what I'm hoping, anyways.
ReplyDeleteAnd anyway, maybe the Muslims are right, and both of us will end up in Jahannam, the Muslim hell.
All I can say for now, is: dum vivimus, vivamus (while we're living, let's live).
cheers from chilly Vienna, zilch
Z- Dani'el: how do you know what it will be like in Hell? Maybe it will be just one big party. That's what I'm hoping, anyways.
ReplyDeleteD- Ah the crutch of atheism. Lol!
How do I know? Well I was talking with God this morning and He told me a few things I cannot share today, but you will have your proof soon enough.
I'm also starting to see some signs that there will be no SF and LA by the time you plan to come for which I am thankful.
Zilch my friend, I can give you a hint. It's no coincidence that we've met.
Z- And anyway, maybe the Muslims are right, and both of us will end up in Jahannam, the Muslim hell.
All I can say for now, is: dum vivimus, vivamus (while we're living, let's live).
Isa 22:12 And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:
Isa 22:13 And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.
Dani'el, you say:
ReplyDeleteI'm also starting to see some signs that there will be no SF and LA by the time you plan to come for which I am thankful.
If that's true, that will save me a bundle on airfare. But as I've asked before, and you haven't answered: what will you do if SF and LA are not destroyed per plan? I'm a bit worried about you. Promise that you won't do anything rash, okay? Drop me a line, and I'll talk with you if the brimstone doesn't fall. Call Dan too.
cheers from Vienna, zilch
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the concern buddy. I believe it is genuine.
But I must ask you.
Do I really seem like I'm disturbed or a danger to myself or others?
Really?
And I have answered that question over and over.
I will not consider the possiblity that God is a liar.
I know my testimony is fantastic to you as an unbeliever, but I think I've proven myself to be quite sane and no threat to anyone.
That's good to hear, Dani'el. My offer of lunch in SF is still on, if it and you are still around. That goes for anyone else who is interested, of course.
ReplyDeletecheers from sunny Vienna, zilch
Agreed Zilch,
ReplyDeleteOne thing I know for certain, we will meet face to face one day. Guaranteed by Hashem.
Dan wrote over at my blog that he would like to go to lunch with us too.
Fresno isn't too far from Sodom I guess. Maybe Kaitlyn would like to come. Maybe a picnic in GG park would be nice if weather allows.
If not in Sodom, then I'll try to get you guys to Jerusalem for lunch one day.
Baruch Hashem,
Dani' El
It's cold right now, but okay. I'm up for lunch. Yom!
ReplyDeletezilch,
ReplyDeleteTrue, she is an atheist, like her father and brother, but at least we will be together in Hell, along with lots of other interesting people:
Now you sound like my Dad. SO I will pose the same question to you. What makes you think that your loved ones will be there to join you for eternity in hell? Loneliness, I believe, would be a large part of hell. Being rewarded like being with loved ones for transgression of God's Law, doesn't seem to be punishment to me.
You are assuming a great deal to believe that you can be with all your friends and loved ones in hell forever. I would say we will be united with loved ones in heaven though, hence the term of Heaven.
Dani'El,
ReplyDeleteThis and more shows the Narnia series to be one of Satan's greatest deceptions.
I applaud your confronting and your research about Narnia. I also agree with you about Disney. I have made many mistakes about God's Word, another reason for this blog, and I appreciate opinions to help me in my walk with God. Your love is obvious.
One of the worst ever, demonic influenced, fights that Patty and I got into was when we were discussing moving to the SF or Santa Clara while we were in that area. We felt the pure evil during that conversation that we abandoned that thought process forever. We still love to visit Baker beach and Stinson Beach and the 3 hour drive is aways worth it. I can't wait to meet all of you. I like the idea of all meeting at a park or beach or we can take over Joe's Cable Car for great burgers. I will post about it as we get closer to Zilch's homecoming. It would be nice to meet many of you.
scratch the comment about Baker beach (wrong one) it's the beach on the other side of GG bridge I think it was called east beach. We had a view of GG and Alcatraz and the breezes were great.
ReplyDelete"Do I really seem like I'm disturbed or a danger to myself or others?"
ReplyDeleteAs a matter of fact, you do. You said, "I will not consider the possiblity that God is a liar." Of course, I think your god is simply in your head. But when the fulfillments of the predictions are not forthcoming, you may try to bring them about yourself (or, at least, something you can call a fulfillment) so as not to consider the possibility.
Pvblivs might be a little over-dramatic. Everyone here seems kind and caring from what I have seen.
ReplyDeleteLazers r' good fer killin' meat n' fendin' away wanters of my women n' meat n' such. So we dun made em'. It be easier then throwin turds.
ReplyDeleteAndrew is devolving! Lol! :)
ReplyDeleteDani' El,
ReplyDeleteDevolution or Devilution? I never could get it right :)
Dan.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the atheists could appeal to Pope Darwin so that the sacrifices at planned parenthood would be increased, to appease the wrath of Darwin so that by his good graces, he would send the angel of chance mutation to regenerate Andrew's devolving heart and stave off the wrath of the angel of natural selection whose fiery sword of judgment hangs over his head.
~;-)
Andrew- luckily, I had already swallowed my coffee before I read your post, or I would have had to clean my monitor again.
ReplyDeleteDan- ditto for you. "Devilution" is brilliant! But do you believe that everything not of God is necessarily of the Devil? And do I really have to start using [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags when I talk about my coming sojourn in Hell?
Pvblivs- where are you? The geographical location you posted, "USA", is rather large and fuzzy. Can you come to lunch too?
Dani'el- I do make burnt offerings to Darwin every day: in my woodstove here in the workshop, I am heating with oak, ash, and maple, which all evolved according to His (Blessed Darwin's) laws. And I will celebrate Him (and Abe Lincoln too) on Feb. 12, Their Two Hundredth Birthday.
Kaitlyn- looking forward to meeting you. Perhaps you can tell me how to deal with computers- I'm a latent geek, but not evolved yet.
cheers from my cozy warm workshop in Vienna, zilch
[sarc}A reading from the word of Darwin in the book of "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
ReplyDeleteDawk 17:11 For the life of the tree is in the sap: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the sap that maketh an atonement for the soul. [/sarc]
Oh my Bama!
Poor helpless trees.
What brought you to Switzerland Zilch?
I zipped through Switzerland on a train in 85, but didn't have time to do anything there.
Stunningly beautiful for sure.
I remember on the train, there was this young black girl. And two older Swiss ladies were whispering to each other in front of her, y'know in our little compartment.
But they didn't know she was Swiss and understood every word.
Suddenly she started into them and they left the compartment in a huff, all red faced.
Later the black girl told me they were saying all kinds of nasty things, "oh, she's such a monkey, she smells! etc" not thinking that she understood them.
So that's my little postcard souvenir I kept from Switzerland.
Dani'el: poor helpless trees? Yes, the poor helpless trees in the Amazon, that are cut down to make land for cattle that go into McDonald's burgers. But the trees I heat with are part of a forestry industry that is sustainable: they are not virgin forest that is irreplaceable, but replanted continuously. Where does your energy come from? Do you drive a car?
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I know that Europe is just a bunch of little countries all jammed together, but puleeze pay attention: since when is Vienna in Switzerland? I live in Austria, not in Switzerland. Austria, believe it or not, is a different country, a so-called "sovereign nation", and moreover has never been part of Switzerland. I'm not blaming you for not knowing European geography, but you do have access to google, do you not?
About racism: yes, there is certainly racism in Switzerland, and here in Austria too. Is there no racism in America any more? Good news if it's true, but I somehow doubt it. I do my best to fight racism: I will tell a brief story about my son Adam.
When Adam was about seven, we were in Berkeley, and were accosted by an elderly black man, who started telling us his life story. At one point he stopped and asked Adam: "What do you see when you look at me?" Adam, who had certainly never spoken to a black man before, said simply: "A man". I was so proud.
cheers from racist-but-getting-better-all-the-time Vienna, Austria, Europe, zilch
Doh!
ReplyDeleteWhere did I get Switzerland?
Not thinking.
I wasn't implying anything with my train story, just telling it.
I'll be sharing a testimony of my trip to Europe in a couple of days on my blog.
And the tree stuff was sarcasm.
I hate MacDonalds more than you do I would venture.
No. No car.
One of the reasons I moved to SF from down south was because I was so sick of cars, smog, the lot.
I lived off grid in Hawaii for a time and loved it.
I still love candlelight.
I eventually rigged up a solar panel to run a light and the radio, but other than that it was propane fridge and stove, and candles, oh and mosquitoes.
I hiked in and out almost 2 miles through pineapple fields to my crazy hippie house in the jungle and I loved every minute of it.
That was the Peahi district, north shore of Maui.
Today I go on foot most places, but take the bus when I must.
I'd love to have a motorcycle again tho'.
But you didn't say how you got to AUSTRIA. ;-)
Oh and on racism in San Francisco.
ReplyDeleteI went to stand with VoiceforIsrael at an antiIsrael protest last night.
There were thousands of people screaming, "Death to the Jews!"
at us. It brought back memories to the elder Jews there.
And the SF holocaust memorial was defaced yesterday as well.
Racism is alive and well in SF.
I've lived in mostly black neighborhoods in the last 7 years and lived in Oakland for several years in the 90's but have not had too much trouble.
Funny, most of the trouble I've had has been from white folks or arabs.
Perfect for little Johnny's nightstand-
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/900164_press01-001.jpg
How did I get to Austria? The same way most Americans here did: by plane.
ReplyDeleteWe don't have a car either: here in Europe, they have real public transportation, and the two or three times a year I need a car I can borrow one.
So you lived on Maui? I spent a week there many years ago with my mother and brother. Exactly where we stayed I can't remember, but it was also on the north coast somewhere, not far from Hana. There was a huge mango tree in the yard, and we ate lots of mangoes. Peter and I hitchhiked to Haleakala and hiked over the rim and across the caldera. We were amazed how cold it was. Very beautiful.
I've been to Hawaii a couple of times since, but only to the Big Island and Kauai. I'd love to go back someday.
Froggie- I just noticed that you're in Pennsylvania. Whereabouts?
@ Zilch
ReplyDeleteOk wise guy. ;-)
Why did you move to Austria?
I think I know why I was thinking Switzerland. I think I was making an unconscious connection with Zilch/Zurich. I also took a look at a map and remembered that I may have passed through that skinny bit of Austria on my train trip.
My house on Maui had several large mango trees (my favorite!) and at certain times of the year, the mangoes would fall and hit the tin roof late at night.
It would sound like a cannon going off but it was worth it. Mangoes, as Kaitlyn says "Yom!"
Also lots of free pineapple gleaning the fields. Passion fruit, papayas etc. All free all over. I ate tons of chicken and fruit.
Was it Haiku where you stayed?
I had some hippie friends in Haiku that I used to jam with.
I also lived on Hawaii, (the big Isle) for a while on the side of Kilauea in a little village called Volcano, just a couple miles from the Kilauea Caldera.
Most people don't know that about Hawaii, if you go up on the Volcanoes it's all pines, cold and even snow on Kilauea.
I liked living in Volcano as it was much cooler and NO MOSQUITOES.
I lived in this beautiful fern forest, wet and misty all the time with huge lava tubes all around.
Big giant tree ferns, awesome.
The only drag was the Vog, volcanic smog that can be real bad when the wind stops which is rare.
Just a few months ago, they had to evacuate as a new vent opened after a quake and the gases were too much.
I had this big dog in Hawaii that I miss a lot. We used to hitchike a lot together. Without him with me, it would take 3 times longer to get a ride.
Some nice folks in Hawaii.
Just remembering it makes me hate Sodom all the more.
I think you know in San Francisco a car is a curse.
Besides, by american standards I live in poverty. Couldn't afford it if I wanted to.
Dani'el: yes, I've been in Volcano, and I know the problems of volcanic smog. I stayed a month with a friend in Kapoho, south of Hilo. Mmmm, that purple yam ice cream! Beautiful place, but my friend had problems with emphysema, and had to move to Texas. I haven't been there since then.
ReplyDeleteWhy did I move to Austria? Well, I never did really "move", I just got stuck here. You know how it is: you have a couple of kids, and they nail you down.
Ya, Kapoho's real nice.
ReplyDeleteIf I had to guess, by what I know of you, I would say you spent a lot of time in Puna, so Kapoho makes sense. Kind of hippieland in Puna. What year was that?
How long have you lived in Austria?
Is Vienna still the musical place it once was?
Considering your work and where you live, you must know your stuff.
When I traveled in Europe in 85, I was 25 years old. I showed up with a Eurail pass and 800 dollars, and stayed for 2 months.
I had friends in Strasbourg, Harlem and Celle Germany as my family had hosted foreign exchange students so I stayed with them some of the time.
I traveled from Holland down to the Greek Isles, back up to Germany
and had a great time.
I wish I had more time and money, but I plan to go back someday after the dust settles.
Zilch,
ReplyDelete"Froggie- I just noticed that you're in Pennsylvania. Whereabouts?"
I live on a hill top in Western PA midway between Pittsburgh and Erie.
I grew up north of here in the Allegheny national Forest in spitting distance of the beatiful Allegheny River.
I still live within a mile of the river and it is a great source of recreation for us.
You ever been to this area?
"antiIsrael protest last night."
ReplyDeleteThere was an anti-Israel protest last night? I should have gone. I'm very upset at Israel's overly-aggressive retaliation in the Gaza Strip recently.
Sorry to hear about the holocaust memorial being defaced. That's horrible.
Kaitlyn- There was an anti-Israel protest last night? I should have gone. I'm very upset at Israel's overly-aggressive retaliation in the Gaza Strip recently.
ReplyDeleteI guess the 4000 rockets over the last 3 years, every one targeting Israeli civilians, didn't upset you.
It's easy sitting safe in SF, but in Sderot, every day can mean death from a rocket from Gaza.
Enough is enough.
All of the civilian casualties are a result of Hamas' intentional using their own people as shields.
Most of the damages are due to secondary explosions of their own weapons that they cynically place in homes, mosques, schools and hospitals.
If you want to march with people who chant, "death to the Jews!" then so be it.
That protest was nothing short of a Nazi rally, and that's an insult to Nazis everywhere.
Target??? The rockets coming from Gaza have no targeting system and no guidance system. They don't have the ability to target.
ReplyDeleteThey point them at Israeli cities and villages, not out to the mediterranean to kill fish.
ReplyDeleteIf they had guided weapons, they would target kindergartens and schoolbuses, just like they do with bomb vests.
Pvblivs,
ReplyDeleteThey don't have the ability to target.
Dani'El put it best but let's all just thank God that they don't have such an ability.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteDani'el, I think we need to look at what's best for both Israel and Palestine.
ReplyDeleteMahmoud Abbas and Shimon Peres have recently reopened peace talks, major strikes on the Gaza Strip or the West Bank could set these talks back months if not years.
Yes, over 3,000 rockets have been fired by Hamas into Israel since 2001. However, only 15 Israelis have been killed by these rockets and 433 were injured in these 7-8 years.
So what does Israel decide to do? They air raid Palestian territory killing almost 400 Palestinians. Granted, most were Hamas, but Palestine will not react positively to air strikes over their land no matter who or what the target is.
Israel's actions further destabilized an already unstable region.
I want to be clear that I don't support Hamas, but I don't support Israel's air raid the same way I don't condone the US military dropping bombs on Nicaragua to enforce drug laws.
This was a dumb political move by Israel.
Kaitlyn
ReplyDeleteIsrael had no choice.
During the so called truce, over a hundred rockets and mortars still came from Gaza, but when it ended, they increased dramatically, so Israel was forced to respond.
Yes the rockets have not killed many Jews, but that wasn't for a lack of trying.
The Jews of Sderot live in constant fear, the children go to school with bags under their eyes for lack of sleep, death can rain down at any time.
Enough!
Hamas made the decision for Israel.
Hamas is the one trying to influence the upcoming elections.
Israel avoids casualties to a fault, even giving cell phone warnings before an attack, and if they don't evacuate, they send a noise bomb as warning.
So often Hamas militants can flee to launch rockets later.
Israel is trying to destroy munitions, but they put those munition dumps in mosques, or crowded areas on purpose.
It is the secondary explosions that are killing civilians and causing the most damage.
Kaitlyn, how may rockets would you tolerate in Florida from Cuba before you supported a response?
Well if you said many thousands then that's what Israel has tolerated for years.
And that on top of 6 major wars attempting to exterminate the Jewish people in their historic land over 60 years.
Enough!
If Israel cannot give up Gaza and have security, how would things go if they pulled out of Judea and Samaria?
Israel has no peace partner and they never have.
The so called peace process is a sham, designed to weaken and destroy Israel.
Plain and simple.
Dani'el, I don't think you quite understand my position.
ReplyDeleteTo put it simply, the question is not whether or not Israel should engage Hamas. They need to.
The question that I would ask is how should Israel deal with violent extremists given the political instabilities of the region and long-term goals of both the Palestinians and Israelis?
In my opinion, Israel over-reacted. After dealing with these rockets for years, they went ballistic and started bombing Palestine. I understand why, but this was not the wisest course of action for them to take.
As to the peace talks, I have very high hopes for the Valley of Peace initiative. There's nothing like join-economic incentives to get two countries working together.
I fail to see how the Valley of Peace initiative is not in Israel's best interests. Much of the corridor was proposed by Peres himself.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteThe whole "peace" process is a front.
These talks always, always end in intifadas and wars.
Basically here is the deal.
Israel must cut off her legs, Gaza and the Golan.
Israel must cut off her arms, Judea and Samaria.
Israel must cut out half her heart, divide Jerusalem.
Israel must take this poison, the "right of return"
Then the arabs will graciously grant peace.
Yeah right!
Really Jordan is the palestinian state that was already carved out of the Jewish homeland that was supposed to be created when all the ME nations were created when the Ottoman empire broke up.
They just cannot stand the "filthy Jews" living under their own rule under their noses. It offends the arabs just like the blacks do in the south.
The problem of course is that Israel has been slowly gobbling up Palestine over the last 50 years or so.
ReplyDeleteIf I were a Palestinian, I'd be justifiably angry and worried too.
Froggie- I was only in Pennsylvania once, years ago, in Philadelphia and some small towns I don't remember. If all goes according to plan, I will be at Penn State in State College (what a name for a town!) this June, and be making my way to California from there, probably via Ann Arbor.
ReplyDeleteDani'el: I have a simple solution to the problems in the Near East: everyone becomes an atheist. Well, maybe that wouldn't be easy to implement.
Actually, I don't approve of what either side is doing, but I have sympathy for how both sides feel. What can be done I don't know.
I can understand the desire of the Jews for a homeland, especially after WWII, but Israel was created by driving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of their homeland, causing bad blood right from the beginning. And now, the wrongs have been piled up so high on both sides that it's difficult to imagine any reasonable solution.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteHowever, only 15 Israelis have been killed by these rockets and 433 were injured in these 7-8 years.
So what does Israel decide to do? They air raid Palestinian territory killing almost 400 Palestinians.
We cannot gauge right and wrong by death toll, if that were the case then Germany was right in WW2.
Dan, I agree, that's why I'm not bringing up these numbers too much. I just want to point out that these rockets were not an immediate threat to Israel, so they should not have used such military force.
ReplyDeleteKaitlyn and Zilch,
ReplyDeleteThat's a typical lack of knowledge of the history of the conflict.
If you are truly interested in the history, read, "From time immemorial".
There never was a Palestinian state, people, money or language.
That is a creation of Arafat in the 70's.
Before that, if someone said "palestinian" they assumed you meant a Jew.
My guess is you are not aware that more Jews were driven out of neighboring arab countries like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen etc from the ancient Jewish communities there, than arabs who fled Israel during the 6 ARAB INSTIGATED WARS since 48.
They lost more property and lands and no one knows they exist.
Israel absorbed most of them, but the arab countries refused citizenship to the so called palestinians to keep them as propaganda weapons against Israel.
Most of the arabs who claim to be native to the land, came into the area as the Jews started to return in the late 1800's.
The Jews returned to their own native homeland previous to the holocaust and bought land fair and square when it was a wasteland, desert and swamp that no one wanted.
The people living there were a mix of Jews who had never left for 1800 years and all the other peoples who had invaded over the centuries.
Including some arabs.
It was only after the Jews began to drain the swamps and start farms that arabs got interested in it.
Many poor arabs came for the work the Jews were providing.
When the arabs attacked in 48 when the state was declared, they gave a call to the arabs to leave so they could kill the Jews and return to take everything, but they lost that war and found themselves in the west bank or Gaza.
Others poured in from Syria and Jordan.
These are the so called Palestinian people whose country was stolen.
It's a lie.
Then again in 1967.
The arabs again tried to destroy Israel.
Shelling from the Golan, and Jordan. The egyptian army massing in the Sinai.
The Jews got the jump on them and won in 6 days.
If you don't see the hand of God in a 6 day war (with 1 day Sabbath)that liberated Jerusalem after 2000
years? Well you don't see anything.
Again, it was that arabs who whittled away at, or rather struck and caused the growth of Israel.
Much like when the Jews were enslaved in Egypt.
Exo 1:11 Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
Exo 1:12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.
The arabs are their own worst enemies and the truth is, Israel has always been happy to have what they had, but got more whenever the arabs tried to exterminate them.
You guys are clearly deceived by the propaganda and should educate yourselves about the true situation, the historical facts.
Google,
"The forgotten refugees"
For the story of Jewish refugees from arab lands.
And "from time immemorial"
For a book by a journalist who set out to write an expose on the plight of the palestinians, only to find the evidence showed it was a huge lie.
Dani'el,
ReplyDeleteI'm not against Israel nor am I pro-Palestine. It seems like you think I am.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteI'm confident that if you educated yourself on the true history of the conflict, you would not say things like-
"The problem of course is that Israel has been slowly gobbling up Palestine over the last 50 years or so."
This simply is untrue.
Please, if you are interested in a valid opinion on the conflict, read "from time immemorial"
The whole moral equivalence thing is nonsense.
Israel is, and has always been the victim in this conflict.
It's basically like claiming neutrality concerning Nazi Germany.
It flies in the face of the facts.
Dani'El,
ReplyDeleteThat 'education' on "From time immemorial" is post worthy.
Nice Job, Brother.
Kaitlyn, Zilch, all-
ReplyDeleteHere is a brief overview on the history of the state of Israel I posted on my blog.
http://judgmentofsanfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/11/israel-occupies-no-arab-territories.html
I encourage you to take a quick read.
Shalom,
Dani' El
I'm confident that if you educated yourself on the true history of the conflict, you would not say things like-
ReplyDelete"The problem of course is that Israel has been slowly gobbling up Palestine over the last 50 years or so."
You've been drinking way too much of the cool aid. I don't know how better to describe the situation than Israel "gobbling up" Palestinian territory.
After Palestinian Arab leaders rejected the British Mandate of Palestine, Israel declared itself independent in 1948 and essentially took over most of Palestine. After Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Transjordan retaliated, Israel won again, seizing even more land.
This is why so many Arab nations simply don't even recognize Israel.
In 1967, Israel invaded and took back the West Bank and the Gaza Strip from Jordan and Egypt respectively.
Since then, Israel has taken the offensive on the PLO, invading Lebanon which lead to the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing 1,000 to 3,000 Palestinians.
It wasn't until 1987 did we start seeing the uprising of the Palestinians in occupied territories throwing stones and such.
Don't give me all this "boo hoo, poor Israel" nonsense. Israel has clearly been one of the main aggressors in this conflict, forming its own state and seizing land by force.
I'm not saying the Palestinians are innocent, but you have a very skewed view of history if you think Israel is a totally innocent victim in the current conflict or that the PLO doesn't have a legitimate complaint about Israeli occupation.
That's pure bs Kaitlyn.
ReplyDeleteWhen Israel declared their state in 48, it was only 20 percent of the land promised to them.
They were already there and "took over" nothing they already did not have.
The ancient Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Hebron and other places were butchered and driven out.
That is the holiest sites of Judaism were STOLEN from them
The Jerusalem synagogues were turned into stalls for donkeys and horses, the Jewish gravestones used to pave paths.
In 67, Israel didn't just decide to attack, and TAKE BACK what was stolen from them;
the tomb of the patriarchs, the tomb of Joseph, and the wailing wall.
But they were shelling from the Golan and Jordan. They blocked Israeli shipping and massed armies in the Sinai, boasting of driving the Jews into the sea.
Then Israel struck and in in 6 days won it all back.
I can see that you are not only willing to buy the lies, but are determined to close your eyes to the truth.
So I'll just leave you with this.
All those who are willing to throw Israel to the dogs, will be devoured by those same dogs.
Then when you cry "boo hoo" the arabs are killing us in america?
The God of Israel will say, "you've been drinking the koolAid"
Enjoy your arab friends Kaitlyn.
They are at your doorstep too.
When the dirty bombs hit american cities, I'll be in Israel saying, "limit your response, avoid civilian casualties, and give up Minneapolis for an islamic state living side by side with america, then you'll have peace.
Think I'm joking?
I am dead serious.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think Israel should do with the West Bank and Gaza strip? Invade? Kick the Arabs out?
ReplyDeleteGoing back to the main topic.
ReplyDeleteDan,
Platinga's argument fails from the get go:
Evolutionary theory on the assumption of an unguided, unplanned process of genetic mutation and natural selection guarantees at most that we behave in ways conducive to immediate survival.
This is too obviously false. evolution has to guarantee at least (not at most) that we behave in ways conductive to survival (not just immediate, but enough for reproduction).
It is like saying that for water to flow out of a hose the water pressure has to be "at most" enough for flow. Do you see this? I would use an "at least" here. Would you?
G.E.
Whatever the original topic -- this Israel/Palestine stuff seems to have set Dani'El quite off.
ReplyDeleteApparently, Dani'El claims rights to all land ever held by a Jew. Does this also apply to the Native Americans? Talk about not being able to see the forest through the trees...
Dani'El: The modern state of Israel was unfortunately and unwisely "given" to the Jews as a sort of retribution for the atrocities Jews suffered under Hitler -- atrocities to which the rest of the world willfully turned a blind eye. That "gift" was a mistake. If the countries involved in that "gift" had truly given so much as a rat's ass about the Jews, they'd have given them some of their own territory, rather than their old territory, and especially something other than old territory now surrounded by mortal enemies.
Let's call spades spades, shall we? The formation of a Jewish State following World War II should have come from, oh, I don't know... Germany. If not there, then perhaps Alaska, or Montana, or some otherwise worthless (at the time, anyway), relatively unpopulated area currently controlled and surrounded by friendly agents.
Now then, since that isn't what happened, it's high time we all tried to get along. Kaitlyn and others are correct -- both sides are at fault for the continued posturing and actual atrocities. I have no idea what the solution should be, but I'm pretty sure that continued bloodshed isn't on the docket. Perhaps that magical god of yours could find it in his great imaginary and super-kind brain to fix it himself in a mutually pleasant arrangement...
Nah, that's c r a z y.
--
Stan
To all,
ReplyDeleteThe world does not get to say whether or not any Jew has the right to live, own land, or rule themselves in our own ancestral homeland.
We have that right no matter what you think.
We were returning to join those who were already there long before WW2, so the lie that Israel exists solely due to the holocaust is bs.
You think you can put us on some ghetto in Alaska or anywhere else won't fly, we will have our own land again for one reason.
God has brought us back to it.
Anyone who tries to stop us, to try to kill everyone of us, as the arabs have from within or without can go to hell.
Anyone who wants to live in peace and enjoy God's blessings in Israel is welcome, but just like any other country, if you seek to destroy us with terrorism, or support it, you must either leave or face the consequences.
Israel faces security issues unlike any other country on earth, surrounded by millions who want us dead, when we just wish to live after thousands of years of being butchered, by everyone including the arabs.
So I'll say it again.
Anyone who condemns Israel for defending herself, will have to defend themselves against those same enemies.
God will deliver Israel from her enemies.
He will laugh at you when your trouble comes.
And come it will.
If you think 9/11 was bad, just wait.
Iron does not mix with miry clay.
Maybe Dan knows what that means.
You will too soon enough.
Dear Dani'El,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you're a follower of such a petty tyrant of an imaginary deity. I'm sorry you think your magical god of mercy will "laugh at [us] when [our] trouble comes," which trouble you further assure us will most certainly come.
I'm sorry that you think Jews have a right to "Palestine" any more than the Canaanites, nomads, and various other cultures who have called that patch of dirt and sand "home" have the same right. I'm sorry that you think Native Americans are so inferior as to have no legitimate claims to any of North America beyond the crap land which was eventually granted them -- "reservations."
I'm sorry that you are simultaneously so insecure about your own "prophesy" regarding San Francisco and/or L.A. that you mention it in cowardice on teh Intarwebs, and that you are so hateful to the current and/or near future residents of those areas that you refuse to give up all you have to warn them. The venerable liar Ray Comfort was even man enough to note that comedian/illusionist Penn Jillette was right when he said that those who don't actively proselytize -- to prevent eternal torment in a perceived "hell" -- were assholes, yet here you are, presumably going to work each day, fairly bragging on your blog that certain doom faces various Southern California communities, yet doing nothing to garner real attention, or to save anyone.
I'm sorry you think that the evils Israel promotes are justified responses, while the evils it suffers are unjust grievances. I'm sorry that you think a Palestinian child has less of a right to a peaceful life than an Israeli child a few dozen miles away.
I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to constantly play the "victim card," claiming that "we just wish to live after thousands of years of being butchered," despite your own arrogant reminders of Hebrew slaughter in the same region for thousands of years more.
Mostly, though, Dani'El, I'm sorry you are so proud, haughty, arrogant, and pompous as to be evidently unable to see through your own complete bullshit to see the truth in anything I've here said.
I agree with the other bloggers here who have pleaded with you to not do something foolish in the event that your god fails to come through with a planned catastrophe in California. Neither should you seek to be yourself the agent of judgment, nor should you seek to harm yourself as a result. I really do hope that you drop everything you have and head to 'Frisco, and to there preach the doomsday message until you are arrested and placed into a padded room -- at least then you'll either be subjected to your mean god's wrath or you'll be prevented from being a part of it, or a harm to yourself.
You remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python's The Holy Grail, and I'm afraid King Arthur's words to the good knight are especially relevant here:
You're a loony.
Get off your arrogant, prideful ass and recognize that Israelis, Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, or whatever are all humans, and all deserving of the same dignity you are here crying about.
--
Stan
Stan,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you serve your dark lord Satan and don't even know it.
I'm sorry you serve the same evil kingdom that chains children to sewing machines so you can have cheap sneakers.
Sorry you are butchering 4000 unborn children a day to your god on the stainless steel altars of planned parenthood.
You call evil good, and good evil, like your father Satan. In every way you are a chip off the old block.
You assume much in your libelous accusations.
I work 24/7 spreading this message and do nothing else.
I've been beaten, kicked, spat on, stabbed with dirty needles, arrested and jailed without charge or a lawyer.
Threatened mocked and abused by the very same people I'm trying to warn.
And that includes you.
I often work writing letters for up to 18 hours a day to the media, churches, synagogues. I preach in the streets and go to the churches and synagogues, even a few mosques.
I give the message to all who will hear me, and often receive violence as my reward.
When your trouble comes, and you are reaping what you have sown, you will remember every foul word you've uttered against me and mourn.
I for one forgive you.
Will God?
That's up to Him.
Dani'el wrote..
ReplyDelete"We have that right no matter what you think.
We were returning to join those who were already there long before WW2, so the lie that Israel exists solely due to the holocaust is bs."
You use the term "we" a lot when refering to Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.
Are you Jewish? I thought you were Christian.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteI'm a messianic Jew.
A Jewish believer in Messiah Yeshua. (Christ Jesus)
There are more and more of us every day. Yet another sign of the end times.
This great awakening began in 1948 and it shifted gears after Jerusalem was liberated in the 6 day war.
But there has been a Jewish remnant from the beginning and through the whole of the diaspora.
The Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Messianic Judaism is a form of Christianity and you are therefore not even eligible for citizenship under the Law of Return.
ReplyDeleteYeah so?
ReplyDeleteI answer to a higher authority.
Like I said, no man says who gets in or out of Israel.
I'm going and soon.
I should add.
ReplyDeleteWhen I get there, that court will be abolished and those judges put out of Israel.
Maybe they can start a kibbutz in Alaska. Lol!
You're moving to Israel?
ReplyDeleteThe Zionist movement, no matter how misguided an attempt it was, wasn't meant for you. Do you even have Jewish family?
But live where you want, I don't care. You want to move to an unstable country with a growing Apartheid, be my guest.
Tel Aviv is actually really nice.
Yes I'm going to Israel and soon.
ReplyDeleteBut Kaitlyn, I'm a hard core Zionist and proud of it.
I'm going to fight and fight hard until Israel's enemies are no more.
Apartheid? That's BS turnspeak typical of Sodom, CA.
We are surrounded by millions of people intent on our destruction.
We are a tiny nation against the whole world who hates us.
But our God is able to deliver us and He will in powerful ways.
He will also give America over to her enemies. Her time is short if you had not noticed. America is doomed, esp after God destroys California with fire and brimstone from heaven on the day I leave.
I cannot tell you exactly who I am Kaitlyn, but God will be using me in powerful ways in the coming years.
And I'm not going for peace talks or to make friends.
And yes I have family eagerly awaiting me in Eretz Israel.
"We are a tiny nation against the whole world who hates us."
ReplyDeleteYou're not even Jewish. You don't know what it's like to be Jewish or to be persecuted.
The entire world does not hate Israel. The US pumps more money into Israel than almost any other foreign nation. Israel is only disliked by many of the surrounding countries.
And California will be fine assuming Yellowstone doesn't erupt.
"I cannot tell you exactly who I am Kaitlyn, but God will be using me in powerful ways in the coming years."
ReplyDeleteReally? You're like James Bond? I doubt it. You're probably a nobody. If you were somebody, you would tell me.
I seriously doubt that you are going to effect change in Israel.
K-You're not even Jewish. You don't know what it's like to be Jewish or to be persecuted.
ReplyDeleteD- I guess Jesus wasn't Jewish either in your fine judgment?
My last name is Freeman, (Ashkenazi).
My mother's maiden name is Corona, (Sephardi).
I'm 100% blue blooded Jew of the tribe of Judah.
K-The entire world does not hate Israel. The US pumps more money into Israel than almost any other foreign nation. Israel is only disliked by many of the surrounding countries.
D- Oh really?
How about Saudi Arabia?
Oil money dwarfs anything Israel gets.
And plenty of American dollars goes to the Pali's through the UN.
It all gets wasted by the corrupt leaders, or on pipe bombs, but it does come from the US.
K-And California will be fine assuming Yellowstone doesn't erupt.
D- I've already showed your assumptions are way off.
The Yellowstone super Caldera could very well be the source of Sodom's coming destruction.
Or Mammoth Mountain has been threatening to blow for a long time.
Or it could be 100% supernatural fire from heaven.
Either way, it's coming and on the very day I leave the city.
Here it is in prophecy-
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
I am the "Lot" of verse 29.
But I don't want to continue to hijack Dan's blog.
I discuss all these things on my own blog and I encourage you to comment there.
I won't be answering any more questions on this topic here.
Shalom,
Dani' El
"My last name is Freeman, (Ashkenazi).
ReplyDeleteMy mother's maiden name is Corona, (Sephardi).
I'm 100% blue blooded Jew of the tribe of Judah."
Freeman and Corona are not the most Jewish sounding names I've heard...
But I'll take your word that your mother is Jewish.
"I am the "Lot" of verse 29."
That's impossible. Lot isn't supposed to arrive for hundreds of more years. I'm calling you a liar.
Oh and "Lot" means "veiled".
ReplyDeleteAs I am veiled for now.
Who I am will be known once I get to Israel.
When Messiah returns, He will testify for me.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteUh, hello? Is it safe to be normal here?
ReplyDeleteI don't think there's any point in engaging Dani'el about Israel: with God on their side, everything else fades into the background. But I would be curious to hear what Dani'el would say to Stan's question (which he beat me to): what about the American Indians? Shouldn't all the Caucasians go back to Europe? If you try sorting out "homelands" by prior residence, there is no obvious place to stop, even if you only consider humans as having "homelands". History is a constant battlefield of one group displacing another, and trying to establish exactly who is "right" and who is "wrong" will only lead you to the conclusion that absolute right and wrong do not exist.
There's not much I can add to what Kaitlyn and Stan have said. Yes, Jews have been wronged. And Arabs have been wronged. And even Christians and atheists have been wronged. The rights and wrongs of the past are a tangled web that can never be sorted out. All we can do is try to live together today as well as we can. And that means working to achieve the same rights for everyone: the right to food, shelter, peace, information. Exactly how to do this is of course not obvious, but firing rockets is not part of the solution.
What a horror it would be to be "normal" in this wicked world.
ReplyDeleteThe whole world will be inherited by the believers, including the native American Believers, the Chinese, Norwegian, German, African, Arab, Egyptian, Assyrian, Persian believers etc.
It's all ours once it's all over.
And even in the promised land, the bible declares that all who were born in the land, including the arabs who have joined themselves to the God of Israel will have an inheritance there.
I'm going to be fighting for the Assyrian, Egyptian, Arab, and Persian Christians of the ME as much as the Jews.
I would gladly lay my life down for the least of them.
But I can see that the stupor of pre WW2 is upon many here.
The foolish spirit of Chamberlain that thought evil and determined men could be appeased or talked out of their plans.
Diplomacy for men like Amadroolingslob just legitimizes, buys more time, for them to achieve their wicked goals.
Sometimes the only answer to those who are determined to build armies and destroy nations is to fight back with war.
And that time is come today.
A great evil, far greater than Nazi Germany is waiting in the wings, and you will fall prey to it if you don't wake up.
John Lennon naively preached that the way to achieve world peace was to snort heroin and lay in bed.
Don't be so foolish.
I hate everything about war.
Everything. But I will fight it if I have to.
That time is near for me and I'm going to Israel to do just that soon.
I pray God opens your eyes in time.
I'm sure the judgment of California will do wonders.
Zilch, I'm sure you witnessed the arab riots in France. Go and have a chat with them sometime.
They hate atheists almost as much as Jews and Christians.
Let me know how it works out.
Baruch Hashem,
Dani' El
Dan,
If you don't want these things discussed here, please let me know.
I encourage all to join me on my blog for more.
Dani'el, you say:
ReplyDeleteJohn Lennon naively preached that the way to achieve world peace was to snort heroin and lay in bed.
Don't be so foolish.
Hey, even as foolish as I am, I almost never snort heroin and lay in bed. Life is too precious to sleep or snort away.
As far as I'm concerned, believing in Jehovah, or Allah, or whatever, is snorting or sleeping your life away. I don't have any problem with that, if that's your shtick, as long as you behave nicely. I'm basically only interested in peaceful coexistence. I have lots of friends who are theists of various sorts, and that's fine. If you need some sort of God to behave nicely, that's okay by me, as long as you don't force me to conform to your beliefs.
cheers from sunny Vienna, zilch
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteAlmost never?
Peaceful coexistence is great.
But most of the greatest mass murderers of the last century were Atheists who did not coexist very well with others.
And you can want peace, and not have it. God will be removing His good peace from a wicked world more and more in the coming days.
You were not thankful for it, so why should He continue to give it?
Zilch, the same enemies that hate Israel hate you, and are at your door.
Let's see if your views change when the dirty bombs start killing millions. Maybe you think that the arab rioters in France just needed a good back rub and aroma therapy.
I don't need some kind of god to behave "nicely".
I do need the Living God to behave according to what is righteous in His eyes.
You may consider yourself a decent person by men's standards.
But judge yourself by God's standards, the 10 commandments, and how do you do?
Dani'el: I have no doubt that many Muslims hate me. But then again, many Christians and probably even some atheists hate me, for this or that reason. All that shows is that all humans are prone to pride and self-righteousness. That's the breaks of the game.
ReplyDeleteAnd as far as judging myself by the Ten Commandments: why should I? I don't believe in God, so why should I accept the Ten Commandments, or any other religious literature, as binding on me?
Btw- yes, I confess, I did lie (not "lay", sorry for being a grammar nazi) in bed this morning until an indecently late hour: 8:30 AM. But I didn't snort anything except good Austrian air.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, Stalin was a self-proclaimed atheist. But Hitler considered himself a Christian and a Catholic, and was never excommunicated. A monster is a monster, and monsters have a way of justifying their monstrosities within their belief systems, whether religious or secular. If the Crusades had happened in the twentieth century, with modern weapons, they would have killed tens of millions of people too. So what? People are unreasonable.
Zilch- No truly saved Christian would hate anyone.
ReplyDeleteAnd I doubt that you feel threatened with violence by any professing christian.
The muslims on the other hand are a real threat to you and yours.
This conflict is in prophecy but we'll skip that for now.
Unbelief won't save you from judgment when you die.
In fact it only adds contempt of court to your charges.
I know you are in unbelief which is why I'm so determined to help you.
I'm sure the judgment of Cali will open many eyes.
I walked in your shoes, spiritually blind and deaf, for 45 years so I know where you are coming from.
Don't take this as condescension buddy. But I'm praying for you and yours.
Zilch- I'm sure you know despite his thin disguise, Hitler was a pagan occultist.
ReplyDeleteAnd Catholics are not Christians.
And G Bush, the illuminati, skull and bones is no christian either.
ReplyDeleteNor is Obama, the liberaton theologian.
Nor 99% of today's pastors, teachers and preachers.
The great apostasy of the last days is fulfilled.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Dani'el: I was predicting that you would answer with some version of the "no true Christian" argument. Yes, I know that many Protestants (and Messianic Jews, etc.) say that Catholics (and Mormons, JWs, etc.) are not "true" Christians. Of course, for most Sunnis, the Shiites are not "true" Muslims; for Hindus, the Jains are a sadly misled sect; and for Discordians, the Church of the SubGenius is rank heresy. So what?
ReplyDeleteI guess, for you, all the self-proclaimed Christians who participated in the Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK, and the Holocaust, were not "true" Christians. But tell me this: how can you tell the "true" from the "false"? After all, Jehovah commanded Samuel to commit genocide, did He not? All these aforementioned groups thought that the Christian God had commanded them to do the same. How do you know if any given genocide is God-inspired or not?
By the way, Dani'el: I've talked with concentration camp survivors, and with Nazi officers, and I'm willing to bet that you have not. Gives one an interesting perspective on what people are capable of.
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteI know you cannot accept this argument, but it takes a God given spiritual discernment.
There are foundational doctrines of the faith that one must hold to be considered a brother.
And cults like the mormons are WAY out of these foundational beliefs.
Beyond that, God alone knows for sure, but we can "know them by their fruits".
And the judgments of the OT were not genocidal, but spiritual judgments that came through prophets.
Yes this has been abused, and is abused today by the likes of Bush.
But that's one reason I've been sent.
To declare who's who.
Like I said, you surely cannot accept this now, but when "you know what" happens, I will have authority by God's own witness won't I?
That's just one reason for what's coming on Calif.
And yes I know several holocaust survivors. I worked as an apprentice for many years for one.
A real sweet guy named Hershel Gershwin who taught me a lot about prepress photo.
My neighborhood in Orange County CA had a pretty large Jewish community and many of my classmates were Jews.
I also went to the Bergen Belsen camp in Celle, and knew some German immigrants in CA who lived through the war.
My family hosted a foreign exchange student from Celle Germany for a year and we had some interesting talks for sure.
I stayed with them for a while and the subject came up a few times.
Sure, nothing like you are sure to have experienced living in Austria, but I'm not completely ignorant.
I'm working on a post on my blog about the day I left Europe for CA in 85.
Due to a miscalculation on my part, I had to stow away on a train for 6 hours from Hannover to Frankfurt to make my flight home.
The whole time I was hiding in the tiny bathroom scared out of my mind.
Thinking, "wow, this is just a taste of the fear the Jews knew in WW2"
When God revealed that I was indeed a Jew in 2005, He had me look back and remember a few things like this.
Sure my life was not at risk, but it still made a deep impression on me at age 25.
Yes, I agree that the Mormon's beliefs are way out there. But so are yours, from my perspective. I've read the Bible, and the Book of Mormon, and am convinced of the literary superiority of the Bible. But then again, I am also convinced of the literary superiority of, say, The Lord of the Rings over The Sword of Shanarra. But that doesn't mean that I find the beliefs espoused any more credible.
ReplyDeleteFrom my point of view, all religious beliefs are cults. Some are just more popular than others, for whatever reason. Incidentally, here in mostly Catholic Austria, every Christian denomination that is not Catholic is commonly referred to as a "sect".
Zilch-
ReplyDeleteHow bout your own cult?
Pope Dawkins, the orthodox scientific priesthood that tolerates no creationist heresy.
The recent burst of atheist missionary outreaches.
The atheist Jesuits (ACLU)
Your child sacrifice altars of planned parenthood.
The Sainted Darwin is sovereign on the earth.
One of the greatest things I will celebrate when Cali goes down, is this long tedious argument will suddenly be over.
I can say, a lot of professors are going to lose it, realizing they've dedicated their whole lives to spreading a lie.
One of the things that is said over and over in the book of Ezekiel, which is called the holy of holies of prophecy, is "then the nations will know that I am the LORD."
Atheism will be dead.
As I said, Dani'el, I sincerely hope that you will not do anything rash when your vision does not come to pass. I would bet a large sum of money that no brimstone will fall in 2009, but I'm not a betting man, and I don't want to take advantage of the credulous.
ReplyDeleteAnd as far as "Pope Dawkins" goes: I have no Popes. Science doesn't work that way, at least ideally: it's the ideas that count, and are judged, not the people. I really couldn't care less what Dawkins says about how I should live my life.
cheers from chilly Vienna, zilch
Well Zilch,
ReplyDeleteI hope you don't go shoot up a church when it does.
I'm being sarcastic as I don't think you ever would, and I don't think you think I would do anything rash either.
I tend to throw the ad hom flag when I hear that, but I think you mean well.
But think about it.
I've been beaten, kicked, spat on, arrested and jailed for 40 days without charge, stuck with dirty needles etc and did nothing but smile.
I think if I was going to do anything rash it would have happened a long time ago.
I wouldn't hurt a fly.
Until I get in uniform in Israel that is.
The enemies of Israel have big trouble coming from my hand.
Geeez!
ReplyDeleteDani'El, please. You are so full of shit man.
G.E.
Well I'm weighing in a bit late here, so I'll just ramble for a little while interspersing my comment with a couple of phrases like 'hierarchy of needs' and 'confusing cause and effect'. La dee daa...
ReplyDeleteHappy new year all!
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of racism in the bay area.
On the news today, they are showing video of a Bart cop (bay area rapid transit) shooting a black kid in cold blood in a Oakland Bart station.
The video may show that the officer may have thought he was firing a taser.
He seems shocked and distraught when the gun goes off.
He may have panicked.
We'll see.
The oakland cops operate in a war zone in some areas but they are known, like the LAPD, for using illegal tactics.
I personally witnessed a violent beating of a black man by Oakland cops in an alley in 91.
Shalom in stinkin Sodom,
Dani' El
Thinking that Jews deserve everything above anybody else is racism too Dani'El. You are extremely and cleary racist. I hope your beliefs in God will allow you to notice this and stop you from further bullshitting your brain.
ReplyDeleteG.E.
Get Ed-
ReplyDeleteI'm sure my beloved African, Arab, Persian, Assyrian, Egyptian, American Indian, Hebrew, East Indian, Chinese, Norwegian, Korean etc brothers and sisters would strongly disagree with you.
I have dear family from every nation, tribe and tongue on earth without exception.
Yet another libelous charge from get ed.
Dani' El,
ReplyDeleteGo back and read your post starting with "the world does not get to say ..." and then tell me with a full face that you were not putting the rights of Jews above everybody else's.
Racism has many facets. In your case it might not be the color of the skin, but it is the belonging to a given people that pretends to have the only righteous claim over some land.
Now also show me where have I made any false accusations. After all you said "yet another."
G.E.
Full straight face on!
ReplyDeleteNo I am not.
I also said I will be fighting for my arab brothers and sisters when I go to Israel.
I also said that anyone, ANYONE who can live in peace in Israel is welcome.
If not, get out or face the consequences.
This is the right of any nation.
You are the one supporting the creation of a Jew free state where Jews cannot go to the 3 holiest sites in Judaism. Are you a racist?
Do you want a Jew free Hebron where Jews have lived for 4000 years? That is what is proposed in the 2 state solution.
If you support a Jew free state for the Pali's, do you support an arab free state for Israel?
I know the nature of our enemies.
There is no appeasing them and they have no intention of letting us live.
Us being infidels, like you.
They are on your doorstep too buddy.
Lets see how you do when the dirty bombs hit.
Come on Dani'El,
ReplyDeleteYou are the one supporting the creation of a Jew free state where Jews cannot go to the 3 holiest sites in Judaism.
Now who is making false accusations? Find me the exact place where I said such a thing!
Are you a racist?
I hope not. I am not sure. But if I am, I know that then I am wring, and that I have to fight against such unfounded prejudices.
Do you want a Jew free Hebron where Jews have lived for 4000 years?
What do I know. All I know is that maybe that place has been inhabited by more than just Jews for those same 4000 years, and thus no people can claim it as their own. You are discriminating everybody else by saying that their claims are not valid because you think the claims belong to Jews alone.
That is what is proposed in the 2 state solution.
That could be so, but that does not mean the propositions from the other side are any more leveled.
If you support a Jew free state for the Pali's, do you support an arab free state for Israel?
Nope. I do not support either. I rather see a peaceful coexistence. But I do think everybody is at fault there, and you fail to see that for a misplaced sense of who should have rights over who. For instance, Jerusalem is a sacred city for Muslims too. And this was a reason not to make Jerusalem the capitol city of Israel. Yet, they made it the capitol city showing disrespect for the Muslims. Do Jews have the right to claim it alone for themselves over Muslims?
G.E.
GE-
ReplyDeleteMy point was no man has the right to say a Jew should not be able to return to Israel and buy land, work, and live in peace there.
Israel has always tried to coexist.
Arab Israelis live with a higher standard of living than those in neighboring countries.
How is it an insult for Jerusalem to be the Israeli Capitol?
Israel has not destroyed any mosques, or denied access to the mount unless there are threats.
But get this, the temple mount is the no 1 holiest site in Judaism, and no Jew can pray on it.
Should we be insulted?
Josephs tomb was supposed to be under Jewish control according to the Oslo accords, but the Pali's would never allow it.
The IDF only escorted some Jews there last month and the arabs had burned it and turned it into a trash dump.
This is the 3rd holiest site in Judaism, should we be offended?
Did you know before Israel gained control of Jerusalem in 67, the Jordanians who had invaded in 48 had butchered or driven out the ancient Jewish community there, turning ancient synagogues into stalls for horses and donkeys, using ancient Hebrew tombstones for paving paths?
That even today, they are crudely excavating on the temple mount and destroying ancient Hebrew artifacts?
The Israeli archeologists have to sift through the rubble at the dump.
Should we be offended?
Arabs vote, have representation in govt, and until they started intifadas and terrorism galore, they had free movement in Judea and Samaria.
When ever there is talk of dividing Jerusalem, there is a mad rush for arabs to get Israeli papers as they dread coming under Pali control.
The truth is Israel has been tolerant of too much.
Every country has the right to remove such an internal threat.
But the arabs are the ones who will not allow such coexistence, they are determined to have a Jew free land.
The 2 state solution would create such a Jew free land, which would exclude us from our top 3 holy sites.
So that is out.
The only other option is Israeli control over the lot, with those who obey the laws, Jew or Gentile, allowed to live in the land.
I should add, many Palis in Gaza are saying they long for the days of Israeli control.
But this is also true.
When Messiah returns, it will be a Kingdom.
A theocracy and then all bets are off.
No mosques, no catholic idols, no sodomite parades in Jerusalem, it's all gone.
And by the time it's all over, that goes for the whole world.
But that's for Him to do alone
We are not going anywhere in this discourse Dani'El. The point remains that your statement looked very much like Jews are the only ones to decide on territories that do not belong just for them.
ReplyDeleteHow is it an insult for Jerusalem to be the Israeli Capitol?
It is not an insult to Jerusalem, but to the Muslims who also think of Jerusalem as a sacred city. By making it the capitol of Israel, the Muslims are insulted because that is close to a claim of the city belonging to Jews alone. Whether this is an exaggerated view or not is not the point. The point s that at the founding of Israel this was supposed not to happen to avoid misinterpretations, yet ...
Israel has not destroyed any mosques, or denied access to the mount unless there are threats.
That does not change the problem with making it the capitol city.
But get this, the temple mount is the no 1 holiest site in Judaism, and no Jew can pray on it.
Should we be insulted?
Yes! I think this is even worse. Does that mean that Israel has all the rights for everything over other people's?
I would say no.
But let us stop here. I do understand that the problem is very complex. And we are not going to solve it here. Perhaps my point is just that we cannot easily hold just one side as the good guys and the rest as the bad ones, when the situation is not such. There are extremists on both sides, and, in the end, mistakes and horrid injustices are made by both factions.
G.E.
GE.
ReplyDeleteI'll sign off with this.
Before Israel gained control of Jerusalem in 67, when Jordan controlled it, there was nothing like the pluralism that Israel alone established in the Holy City, even to the exclusion of Jewish rights to the temple mount.
I would again encourage you to read "From time immemorial" by Joan Peters for a greater understanding of an issue that will be affecting the whole world in the coming years.
Shalom,
Dani' El
We could kick all the Muslims or all the Jews out of Israel and displace them to Canada.
ReplyDeleteThat would solve a lot of the internal conflicts.
And who is "we" Kaitlyn?
ReplyDeleteAnd the muslim fascists in Canada were already planning to behead the prime minister.
I doubt the Canadians want any more.
"And who is "we" Kaitlyn?"
ReplyDeleteWell... atheists... those who follow Satan... (same thing, I know) I don't know.
Just an idea I had. But it's my duty as an atheist to stop the apocalypse.
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteWe could kick all the Muslims or all the Jews out of Israel and displace them to Canada.
That's one idea. I actually think we should all just ignore the Israel-Palestine conflict. It thrives on attention.
Frodo,
ReplyDeleteHead in the sand?
I don't know where you live, but here's how it's going to be.
Those who are willing to throw Israel to the dogs, will be devoured by those same dogs.
There are going to be terrible terror attacks that will make 9/11 seem like a picnic.
Then God will say, "You ignored the threat to my people, now I ignore your cries for help to me".
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Dani,
ReplyDeleteIt's not a matter of throwing Israel to the dogs. It's about the rest of the world not getting involved in a conflict which it has nothing to do with. It's about not indulging the theological whims of petulant xenophobes. It's about realizing that the validity of a grievance isn't necessarily determined by its age. And it's about not being so arrogant as to presume that people have unlimited patience for a conflict which would have ended years ago but for the insidious hand of religion.
Frodo,
ReplyDeleteThis is a worldwide spiritual struggle that is not limited to Israel.
They hate atheists almost as much as they hate Jews and christians.
And they are making plans to kill you too. The west is the target. The worldwide caliphate the goal.
It's naive to think you can ignore it as they are at your door as well.
As you will find out soon enough.
And if you think Atheists have the answer, then look to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro for examples.
I've seen what's coming Frodo.
And I say it is just.
I'm not scared of God. If he messes with me, he's messing with some very powerful people.
ReplyDeleteFor the Truth about the conflict, this short flash video covers it well.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Am Yisrael Chai!!
Dani' El
Islam is a religion of peace. That site seems to be a bit skewed in how it depicts Muslims.
ReplyDeleteKaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteIt's not depicting Muslims. It never even mentions Muslims. It consistently refers to them as "the Arabs", making no distinction as to which Arabs in particular are responsible. A paragon of balanced reporting.
Frodo, Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteA couple of things to consider.
The video does name the arab countries who attacked Israel, and the arab leaders of different pali factions.
These are often divided sunni or shia.
But when Israel was first attacked in 48, and esp in 67, most of the arabs were secular and religion was not much of a factor.
They were armed and trained by atheist Soviet Russia. Most of the arab countries were socialist, and under the rule of strongman generals etc.
It was only after Israel repeatedly defeated them that they decided to motivate themselves with the religion of radical islam.
Indeed at first, the muslim brotherhood and others were outlaw organizations that fought their homelands.
God has used these divisions to keep Israel's enemies from uniting aganst her from the beginning.
In the coming war of Ezekiel 38, where a massive Russian led alliance of muslim countries attempts to invade Israel, God will cause them to turn on each other and they will slaughter each other by the thousands. Once they get together in close quarters, they're hatred for each other will get the best of them.
Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Eze 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Dani'El said:
ReplyDelete[Muslim extremists] are making plans to kill you too. The west is the target. The worldwide caliphate the goal.
Which is deliciously ironic, considering that he had earlier stated the following:
When Messiah returns, [Israel] will be a Kingdom.
A theocracy and then all bets are off.
...
And by the time it's all over, that goes for the whole world.
Dear Pot,
I'm sorry that you're black.
Love,
Kettle
--
Stan
Hey, Dani'El, just out of curiosity, what are you going to do when you get to Israel?
ReplyDeleteKaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteJob #1 will be to preach the Gospel of Messiah Yeshua (Christ Jesus) to the Jews.
-------------------
Stan-
The big difference is this.
We know that in the coming years many, many millions of innocent christians will be martyred for refusing to worship the Antichrist as God.
And the kingdom will only come at Christ's return.
It is not for us to do.
The muslims seek to murder millions of infidels by killing themselves, , if you do not convert, or pay tribute (dhimmitude/slavery) to the worldwide caliphate.
They believe from the eschatology of the koran that they must establish the caliphate by war. That is jihad.
That's a night and day difference.
"Job #1 will be to preach the Gospel of Messiah Yeshua (Christ Jesus) to the Jews. "
ReplyDeleteStop! Reconsider! You can't do that! Please don't go. They can't ever learn of these things! They are Jews, you cannot just go around telling them of the Messiah. Please don't be rude.
Beyond that, how do you know you're not suffering from Jerusalem Syndrome?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1964600827091550553
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome
Kaitlyn,
ReplyDeleteI should not laugh but I cannot help but to chuckle a bit on that one.
I am a Jew, and there are thousands more like me who believe.
There are hundreds more being saved every day.
Messianic congregations in Israel are multiplying in leaps and bounds in Israel and abroad.
God has promised to graft the natural branches back into the tree of life in the coming years and I am one who be used to make it happen.
Much of the book of Ezekiel is about the end times conversion of the Jews.
That day is at hand.
And if anything, I've got "Lot in Sodom complex".
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
Messianic Jews are Christians.
ReplyDeleteI'll use all my power to stop the coming destruction of San Francisco.
"I am one who be used to make it happen."
Not if I stop the rain of fire. And besides, unless God told you Himself that you are Lot, you have no reason to believe this to be true.
Although, it is odd that they would write about you thousands of years before you were born.
Hmmm. I guess I will see this summer who is really inspired by God: Dani'el with his brimstone falling on SF, or Kaitlyn stopping the rain of fire.
ReplyDeleteLunch is on me.
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteI hate to feed this any more, but Kaitlyn is an atheist.
I guess she evolved super powers by chance mutation. ;-)
Dani,
ReplyDeleteNo worries, I've got your back. We prophets have to stick together, eh?
Dani'el: how do you know Kaitlyn is an atheist? And even if she is, how do you know God doesn't talk to atheists too? After all, Christians are telling me all the time that God is speaking to me, but that I'm just not listening: maybe Kaitlyn is listening? Or perhaps you and Kaitlyn have different Gods: you have Jehovah, and Kaitlyn the Invisible Pink Unicorn- who's to say which is more powerful?
ReplyDeleteIn any case, I'm looking forward to the battle of the prophecies, preferably over a nice lunch.
Hey, if Satan wanted good people to do his bidding, he would have written the Bible.
ReplyDeleteDon't be so sure God is on your side.
[Islam is a religion of peace. That site seems to be a bit skewed in how it depicts Muslims.]
ReplyDeleteDepends. If by "religion of peace" you mean can modern muslims be peaceful, I would say yes. If you are talking about the religion of Mohammed and his khalifates and the brand of warfare they engaged in, and the command in Surah 9:27 to muslims , I would not say Islam is peaceful
True, but in that respect, neither is Christianity, Obsidian.
ReplyDeleteBut Kaitlyn, everyone knows that in the end, Christianity is a religion of peace, because in the end, all the good people (the believers and the innocent Amalekite babies) end up in Heaven, and the bad people (non-believers and the guilty Amalekite grownups) end up in Hell. And it's the afterlife that counts, after all.
ReplyDeletetyping quickly to warm up my fingers in my decidedly cool workshop, zilch
Tu quoque?
ReplyDeleteWhat of the peaceful religion of Atheism?
We've got Stalin, Mao, Pot, Ill, Castro, and 45 million unborn and counting, 4000 a day.....?
Atheism is not a religion in the strictest sense of the word.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, there have been some pretty homicidal atheists. But you can't cry over every mistake, nor do they have anything to do with whether or not a disbelief in gods is justified.
*shrug*