We suspected her worldly ways with her revealing and tasteless pictures that she took, then the poor decision to allow those Vanity Fair pictures go to print, now to the recent Pole Dance routine, she is out.
It is perfectly understandable. If you allow such worldly things into your home, and even encouraged, these results are to be expected.I guess Billy Ray is forgetting that very wise advice that Chris Rock gave.
"My only job in life is to keep her off the pole."
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We all know that nothing good comes from that Pole."Christians should not be a thermometers that merely record and reflect the temperature of popular opinion.
Christians should be like thermostats, responsible for transforming and setting the temperature or standards of society" ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
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| Update on theory confirmed |
Thank God, Free at last!
Update: My theory held true, not a Christian yet. Some false converts cover well, this one didn't. She's now leaving America to go be British? Yikes, bad decisions galore. You failed her Billy Ray. She's still an Antichrist.
Bit.ly/BillyRayFail
Ya, I know how you feel. It is so hard to counter one's culture. Harder still to expect our children to carry our values before they've accepted them as their own. But if we love our children, then the sexualising of our children is simply not an option. Thanks for the post.
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit confused -- the Miley Cyrus video you linked features the singer climbing atop an ice-cream cart, and holding a pole fixed to it while it is pushed around the stage. Her "pole dance" consists of nothing more than holding on lest she fall off, and about 10 seconds' worth of 'dipping' in time with the rest of the dancers while atop said cart.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a pole dance -- trust me, I've seen several.
(Of course, I couldn't help but note the irony that her entrance consisted of her exiting an on-stage travel trailer...)
As to the toy, it is not in any way endorsed by Disney or Miley Cyrus, so you can stop conflating the two. It looks more like a joke novelty item than an actual toy, though I suppose it's possible that somebody doesn't get the joke, but they'd have to be awfully sheltered... Oh.
As to "Hannah Montana" in general, and similar "children's" programming or directed marketing, I find it quite telling and amusing that my first exposure to Miley Cyrus' "talent" was via clicking Dan's YouTube link. My children watch edutainment, featuring Noggin, Sprout, and PBS Kids, and featuring the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse only on rare occasions, and only to the tune of the specific set of shows which fall into that category. When they're over, so is the Disney Channel.
Strange, don't you think, that my atheistic parenting is more wholesome than Dan's biblical parenting...
What other programming do you allow your kids to watch, Dan? Want to compare titles? We can limit things to the titles you allow your ~2nd grade child(ren) to watch, if you prefer...
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Stan
Stan, they've got Ms Cyrus in hot pants, torn top, exposed bra; dancing round a freakin pole.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so it's no hardcore pole dance; but as an erstwhile student of semantics I have to say... Pole's there for a reason dude.
;)
That's the first time I've seen her too! The rest have just been pop culture references but no direct hit.
Might I add the song made me want to vom.
ReplyDeleteYaaa-aaay! Party in the USAAAAAA!
I take it all back Dan, Satan is real and is producing for Miley Cyrus.
>:D
Stan,
ReplyDeleteStrange, don't you think, that my atheistic parenting is more wholesome than Dan's biblical parenting...
Ahh that was a good spin to place me in bad lighting that I hadn't thought about. I must say that was entertaining to read. Nice Job.
I do not have the advanced channels that you have. I liked Noggin but we do not get it. I am left with PBS which I am OK with, and Nickjr. which I am not. My bad parenting shows that I will allow are Sponge Bob and ICarlie and that one is pushing it.
I do not allow Hanna Montana at all. We do not allow Mickey mouse clubhouse either (because of the blasphemy). We do allow Disney movies like toy story and such but not the Disney Channel for the most part. Handy Mandy may be the one exception on occasion.
Regrettably now, I did fold to allow her mother to take her to the 3D movie of Miley's concert but not her Hanna movie either.
We today had a great discussion about dressing to show off your face verses showing off your body. Even though we would have had the discussion, I guess we owe Miley the credit for the subject to be brought up.
This award show was the straw, that is all, plus it gave me an excuse to dig a little at her and finalize my decision, with reason, to her.
But to say that was merely a pole to hang on to is a laughable excuse. That bending and dancing before and during is not how a 16 year old should be dancing, imho, even without a pole. Dude show me one ice cream cart with a pole like that on it and I will eat my words. Apparently you would allow your daughter to dance, and possibly dress, like Miley from your comments, but hopefully I am wrong about that.
We went to the beach the other day and we may be finding somewhere else for the family since the girls were revealing way too much for any families comfort.
Where are the role models and where are the parents that insist on modest wear?
Dan said:
ReplyDelete"Where are the role models and where are the parents that insist on modest wear?"
That site was disgusting! I can't believe you put that kind of smut on your site, Dan. I mean, you can still see their faces!
Okay, so it's no hardcore pole dance...
ReplyDeleteExactly. It's clearly suggestive, and certainly a strong case can be made that it's inappropriate for the ages targeted. My "defense" of it was merely to illustrate that Dan overreacts, even if a reaction is warranted. The "bending and dancing" was hardly offensive and very momentary, with or without the "pole." Without being viewed in a specific way, with a set-up that predisposed one to expect suggestive behavior, and without the warning email you know Dan gets, he probably wouldn't have noticed. Hell, he admitted he actually let his kids attend a concert of hers...
As I say, however, it was inappropriate, sure, but not so gratuitous as Dan would have us think -- that's all.
Apparently you would allow your daughter to dance, and possibly dress, like Miley from your comments...
Nice try, jackass. You're the one who has sent his child off to a Miley Cyrus concert, not me. If either of us is promoting Miley's behavior, it would have to be the parent who implicitly condones it.
Really, it must be difficult for your children, with your constantly changing standards, and your ignorance as to what they watch and hear... Last week, Miley Cyrus was a True Christian™, this week, she's a trampy little whore. Last week, swimming was a fun activity, even if Daddy was visibly uncomfortable from the view, this week, he's getting us form-defying full-body swim-bags (where were the versions for males?).
What's next week? No more Chris Rock? No more SpongeBob? No more NASCAR? No more books?
Rather than bitch about the shows and characters you let your kids follow and emulate -- only after you've received the latest email from zomgwtfbbq.com -- you should instead sit down with your kids and actually see what they're seeing. If you were at all familiar with these shows -- even a little -- you'd have restricted them long ago, and if you didn't, you'd at least be able to talk to your kids about what they saw, and what it means, and how they should react to it.
My kids? Back when Noggin shared programming time with the "N" channel, at the 3pm programming switch to inappropriate "tween" shows, my kids immediately got up and let me know, if I was upstairs, or outside, or watching my own show. They knew it was inappropriate and they'd avoid watching it.
What do your kids do, Dan? I'm guessing your kids are so confused by the attempted brainwashing and the multiple-standards that they just sit there with glazed looks as Miley Cyrus fellates her microphone.
Billy Ray Fail? How about Dan Fail. Again.
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Stan
"...she was never spanked but just grounded."
ReplyDeleteWhat a joke. You want to attribute what is going on here to the possible fact that she was not spanked? Hmmmm?
No Dan, it's far worse than that.
She has been exploited by her parents. She has been deprived of a normal and healthy childhood. Her parents allowed her to be exposed to all manners of influence long before she was able to develop a healthy view of the real world and develop emotionally.
Most entertainers such as Billy Ray crave recognition. They have super egos. They use their children to gain more recognition and thereby sacrifice their children in that the value system they impose on them is all about pulicity and recognition.
I've seen this countless times over the years and most recently, the minute I saw this Hannah personna break into the mainstream I knew, intuitively and through past experience that this poor kid was probably doomed to a life dedicated to amassing personal wealth and craving recognition.
I am astounded beyond belief that you are surprised by this. I could easily list dozens, no, scores of failed humans who were exploited by their parents who sacrificed their kids for profit.
Child development does not require kids to be isolated from society, but it does require a careful measure of when they are exposed to certain situations.
If a kid is foisted into a situation where they are the center of attention through preteen and teen years there is practically impossible for them to develop psycologically in a healthy manner.
Miley has never been a child. She is a marketing tool for Billy Ray.
By the way, in case I didn't make it clear, that one minute "pole dance" scene generated the exact, precise publicity that Billy Ray, et al designed it to get.
ReplyDeleteFor every person like you, Dan, that have disowned Billy Ray, there are twenty others rushing to see what they have been missing.
You're not the only idiot out there.
You're free from pole dancing, Dan? Well, I've got news for you: I'm free from pole dancing too! Don't need no God to free yourself from pole dancing!
ReplyDeleteStan asked "What do your kids do, Dan?"
ReplyDeleteWell my TV's are set up with those parental blocks and I have to give a password. Things get blocked right away that are inappropriate. Unlike you, that expose your kids to horrifying CSI images and then let them make the choice that it was wrong, after the fact, and go searching for Dad, wherever he is at the time, to tell him that they saw something horrible while shivering in fear.
:7) You see anyone can spin it anyway they choose, like you do.
Truth is truth and not the story someone spins it to.
Froggie,
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with your points about Miley, go figure. Very well put. I also am not surprised one bit and it was the reason why she was restricted, and shunned, in my home with the exception of that one 3D movie concert. I saw that train wreck coming from a mile away. It did allow my daughter see my disapproval and then see the results of my decisions. She says things like 'look Dad, you were right about her' and strengthens her trust in me. It's all good for us but, like you said, horrifying for Miley.
I figured most Atheists wouldn't see any problem with that dance of hers and jump to her defense on this post. It was nice to read your point of view because I completely agree. Experiment was a success.
Hopefully Stan isn't angry about it though, he is not the only idiot out there. :7)
Zilch,
ReplyDeleteThis will probably get thrown in my face but I sold a $80,000, 7 station, huge touchscreen POS system to a strip club during my, false convert, entrepreneurial days. We had to stay there for three days and set up the menu's and train all the employees. What a grind it was to sit there day after day and have to watch, who the bartenders affectionately called hookers, dance and sling coke all day
It was the very beginning of my marriage with Patty, the only time I could go home smelling like cheap perfume, with glitter all over me, with out retaliation.
So to answer your question, yes I am free from pole dancing... unless they need repairs, I should give them a call. haha jk
Oh and Stan,
ReplyDeleteI forgot to say that my computer is in the family room where all the kids are playing so our core constituency is strong because we interact constantly.
Hopefully Stan isn't angry about it though, he is not the only idiot out there. :7)
ReplyDeleteEven with your weird-nosed smiley, I don't know what you mean here... I find nothing wrong with Cyrus' behavior on its face -- it's just inappropriate for a teenage performer -- but I fault her own parents for allowing and encouraging it, and the parents of those children who really do emulate her.
I'm pretty sure I'm not the idiot here...
Incidentally, your CSI quip reminded me of an actual event that happened in our home a couple weeks ago. My father-in-law was visiting, and he wanted to show me and my wife a video he found on teh intarwebz that ostensibly showed Michael Jackson's "ghost" in the background of one of the trillion posthumous recognition "news" pieces.
He found the video, and fired it up. My wife is a naïve, optimistic skeptic, so she thinks stupid nonsense like "Ghost Hunters" is interesting, so she took interest in the video. I, of course, rolled my eyes, and immediately asked, "Is it a Rick-Roll?"
It was.
My father-in-law evidently doesn't know what a Rick-Roll is, so he answered in the negative, but my concern was over the image which would be burned into my daughter's retinas if it indeed was one. Reassured by the prompt "no" given, I assumed the coast was clear.
It wasn't.
When the still image (thankfully) of a weird horror-flick-creature flashed on-screen with an accompanying screech, my 2nd grade daughter, watching with piqued curiosity, about fainted. I was pissed.
To head off a likely nightmare, I immediately engaged her, and let her show her grandpa what she could do on the computer -- that is, using Sprout online, or one of the educational games I've installed for her.
To my knowledge, there were no nightmares from the incident, but suffice it to say, even experienced preparedness can fail to prevent a potentially frightful or otherwise damaging instance. So believe it or not, guided exposure coupled with reasoned explanation -- two things Dan will struggle with mightily -- are the best defenses.
No, my kids don't watch CSI (nor do I, but my wife does... when I'm not in the room, since I heckle it constantly), but I do allow them to watch Star Wars (original as well as new-fangled), The Princess Bride, and a few other very PG movies, and I'm not afraid to watch a PG-13 (TV-14) movie on TV in their presence. Generally, I know the film or show, and even where I don't, I'm savvy enough to recognize when an inappropriate scene approaches, and either change the channel, or mute and have them avert their eyes.
Anyway, my rules are far more consistent than Dan's, evidently, and mine are meant to grow with the child, providing understanding and guidance, rather than gleefully promoting sheepish obedience.
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Stan said,
ReplyDelete"and mine are meant to grow with the child, providing understanding and guidance, rather than gleefully promoting sheepish obedience."
Precisely. We have seen many cases where kids are insolated from society, then turn eighteen and get the hell out of Dodge.
Some fundamentalists think they can hold their kids as prisoners.
They think the kids are their posessions. Sad, that.
When the still image (thankfully) of a weird horror-flick-creature flashed on-screen with an accompanying screech, my 2nd grade daughter, watching with piqued curiosity, about fainted. I was pissed. [...]
ReplyDeleteTo my knowledge, there were no nightmares from the incident, but suffice it to say, even experienced preparedness can fail to prevent a potentially frightful or otherwise damaging instance. So believe it or not, guided exposure coupled with reasoned explanation -- two things Dan will struggle with mightily -- are the best defenses.
Good advice, Stan. You might consider this, Dan, next time you're in church with your kids, and one of them thinks that the weird horror-flick creatures spoken of there are real. Just calmly take them aside, and tell them that people make up stories all the time, and that just because lots of people believe in ghosts, goblins, ghouls, and gods, is no reason to think that they exist. Tell your kids to look for evidence and think critically.
My "A" game.
ReplyDeleteMy eldest child is 30. My youngest is 24. I got cable TV in 2002. Before that we had 3 channels while the kids were growing up.
My daughter has put parental locks on my computer and the cable. I haven't noticed any difference.I realize it's a different world but all my children are doing well and still come to us when they have a problem.
My "A" game.
ReplyDeleteMy eldest child is 30. My youngest is 24. I got cable TV in 2002. Before that we had 3 channels while the kids were growing up.
My daughter has put parental locks on my computer and the cable. I haven't noticed any difference.I realize it's a different world but all my children are doing well and still come to us when they have a problem.