Lets even say there were no videos exposing these things at all (which their are). To have a policy to help 13 year old's, or younger, get abortions without parental consent, or alerting the authorities, is aiding in rape. Statutory rape is still rape.
They NEVER ask, and don't care, for the father to be present to see for themselves, as an investigation tool if nothing else, to identify if a rape has indeed occurred or not. They DON'T CARE if it did happen. They just HIDE it. They are accomplices to rapists if by their POLICY ALONE. They do not aid the raped, they aid rapists!
If the 50 year old neighbor raped your daughter, she got pregnant, and she was ashamed it happened to her and went and got an abortion. You don't find out until decades later. You "pro abortion" people would be OK with it? Suuuuuure you would. Guess what, the avenue for that scenario to be successful can ONLY be accomplished at Planned Parenthood!!!!
Why did Planned Parenthood not properly report and address the sexual assault of an 11-year-old child as required by California state law?
Kline also testified under oath that Planned Parenthood of Overland Park and George Tiller together aborted 166 girls 14 years and under and only reported one each to authorities. So 164 cases of underage rape or statutory rape went unreported and, therefore, uninvestigated by authorities. Jill Stanek has written a blurb about it here. This is new information that only got out because of Kline’s ethics trial. And yet another important article about it.
Be ashamed, all of you, for defending this failure of humanity!
On top of that, which is enough, I just noticed this article. Its worth a mention, if it gets people thinking at all:
Planned Parenting Eugenic Roots?
"Forced sterilization of minority women lasted for 65 years, and was not ended in the U.S. until 1972! (Strange, isn’t it, that abortion became legal the very next year?)" ~Blood Money
Praise God the House voted to strip their funding!
ReplyDeleteFilthy -nasty- organization!
Hope they all go bankrupt.
God foreordained those child rapes from the foundations of the earth. Rejoice in His Wisdom and Grace!
ReplyDeleteI'll have to do more reading on this, or more likely, let one of the other commentators do that since I'm going to bed, then back to work...but given the OT treatment of women dan, you again have no place to speak.
ReplyDeleteChristians do not have a problem with killing babies, they have a problem with the unauthorized (by God) killing of babies.
ReplyDeleteIf they truly had a problem with killing babies then they would not worship God.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteI did a quick check and this is my response based on what I found so far.
As for the video, I wouldn’t be so quick to trust what is being seen. In a quick search, and so far I have found that the visits in NY were reported to the proper authorities. If it hadn’t been, since there are over 820 other clinics who seem to operate fine, all I see here is the need to clean house, reeducate all those who work for PP and make sure everyone is clear on the policies and laws involved.
The letter can be taken many different ways. I’d need to hear directly from the woman involved as not to be mislead by not being familiar with all the details. That fact it was posted by the site makes the impression given very suspicious. If comments post on their own (un-moderated) , than I would not take it seriously at all. Last of all, I believe that clinic was closed in 2010 for completely different issues.
As for the not reported statutory rape, the accusation involves , “164 unreported adolescent abortions of girls 14 and younger, committed either at Planned Parenthood of Overland Park or George Tiller’s abortion mill, between 2002-03”. It seems like the report shows they aren’t even sure if the Kansas PP is responsible for any of it yet.
For the sake of argument lets say it is the PP clinic, than great, shut it down. If they are not practicing as should by law then they should not be allowed to continue. Keep in mind Dan that PP consists of “85 independent Planned Parenthood affiliates” and a total of “820 health centers in all 50 states”. Just because of one of the affiliates is not operating by law does not change the fact that the others are up to par and have been providing an excellent service to women all over America. Also that about 99% of these services are not abortion related.
So yes Dan if this proves to be true than the affiliate who is acting outside of the law should be dealt with accordingly, while other affiliates can continue to offer many excellent and needed services for women all over America.
If you feel differently and want to hold all the innocent affiliates, clinics and doctors responsible for someone else’s actions, why stop there Dan? I mean it’s the practice of your belief to do this since you think everyone should be held guilty of sins done by Adam and Eve 6000 yrs ago.
With that though in mind Dan, why haven’t we been trying to do the same every time a representative of Christianity does wrong, child rape, pedophilia, drugs, corruption, death by practice of dogmas etc, etc? We should have been holding all churches of that particular sect, or maybe even Christianity itself responsible and shut them down. We need to rule with an iron fist! If one does wrong, all are guilty!
What Denomination are you Dan?
Dan, it seems to me you and your hooligans are lead by emotion and are quick to judge all if you disagree with them, instead by evidence & process and holding those who are guilty responsible for their actions. Leading by emotion and making blanket judgments is a very dangerous and unwise path Dan.
~Atomic Chimp
Hey Dan...if you want to complain about the eugenical origins of something, you'd better have a look at this.
ReplyDeleteSome more about eugenics.
ReplyDeleteNote this:
The long section raging against the inferiority of the Negro race alone will leave you disgusted. It's also noteworthy because it has a whole section on eugenics and religion, though, and throughout is quite happy to support religion.
Rhomphaia, hope to hell you never need their services then:
ReplyDeletePence's plan, which will likely stall in the Senate, would mean the end of federal support for an organization that each year provides more than 800,000 women with breast exams, more than 4 million Americans with testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases, and 2.5 million people with contraception, which, not for nothing, is the stuff that prevents unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion, to begin with.
All on the basis of a xian lie which was at first admitted by, then dismissed by Dan recently.
Fuck it; if you people are that stupid, you don't deserve their services.
If one is to use the tack of using the origins of an organization to argue against it's continued existance today...
ReplyDeleteIf the 50 year old neighbor raped your daughter, she got pregnant, and she was ashamed it happened to her and went and got an abortion. You don't find out until decades later. You "pro abortion" people would be OK with it?
ReplyDeleteI guess it kind of depends upon the attitude of the parents of the girl involved. If they're the kind of parents who would disown their daughter for 'allowing' her body to be violated, maybe it's better that they don't find out. It speaks primarily to the relationship parents establish with their children. If a child feels safe confiding in her parents, that's great.
I'm not justifying the abuse of underage girls - and it's telling that I feel the need to point that out - but the fact is that there are some parents who will reject their children if they don't conform to the parents' idea of perfection and proper conduct. Perhaps Planned Parenthood is choosing not to enable judgemental parents...
Rhomphaia (Sword) said...
ReplyDeletePraise God the House voted to strip their funding!
Filthy -nasty- organization!
Hope they all go bankrupt.
As I tried to say before, I hope you need their services one day and they're not around to provide.
Why? Because you religious right pricks lied about them and the xian-led Repugs cut their funding.
Pence's plan, which will likely stall in the Senate, would mean the end of federal support for an organization that each year provides more than 800,000 women with breast exams, more than 4 million Americans with testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases, and 2.5 million people with contraception, which, not for nothing, is the stuff that prevents unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion, to begin with.
Seriously, if you're so ignorant of an organization that you don't even know that it actually helps to prevent unwanted pregnancy, which leads to abortions in the first place, then you don't deserve to have access to their services.
By the way, if you really want to talk about "Rape Aid", read your own holy book sometime. In OT times, if a woman got raped by a man, she was stuck with him as a husband!
The apologists try to excuse that by saying that he was the one being punished because he was made to care for her. Hell, why not just take all he has and give it to her and her family so they can supoort her and she doesn't have to put up with them?
Remember what the OT rules were like for divorce back then also.
I'm sure their are alot of christian Dad's out there pissed off because their not getting their 'god given right' to 50 pieces of silver.
ReplyDeleteDeuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
Seriously if ANYONE is aiding rapists weather there theist or not should be punished and lessions learned for the rest of us.
I can't see how ALL abortion is bad because of the actions of a few.
Dan +++
Should herion addicts have abortions? When you anwser can you define if your giving your opinion or having a 'revelation'? Cheers
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ReplyDeleteAnt,
First, let me help.
>>Seriously if ANYONE is aiding rapists[,] [whether] [they're] theist or not[,] should be punished and [lessons] learned for the rest of us.
Second, the point is that a bad tree bears bad fruit. You cannot expect good things to happen when you coddle, or enable, evil.
>>I can't see how ALL abortion is bad because of the actions of a few.
News flash! ALL Murder is wrong. Whether a few do it, or many, its still wrong.
>>Should [heroin] addicts have abortions?
NO! They should not do the things that get them in that situation either. Two things that they shouldn't do, heroin and fornicating. If the Bible was adhered to, there would be no issues at all. No drug addicts, no babies out of wedlock, no drug babies at all. Now, are you claiming that all heroin addicts are not recoverable? In that we should all euthanize drug addicts because they cannot be rehabilitated? If so, then I can understand more on your position to murder drug babies. If not, then its your worldview that is inconsistent, does not make sense, and is reduced to the absurd.
>>When you [answer] can you define if your giving your opinion or having a 'revelation'?
Yes, this is a revelation from God. God's Word is very clear about it. Fornication, and drugs, are against God's Word. Its sinful behavior. Sinful behavior gets you despair. So much despair, that you consider a cute little baby, a mere parasite. Its deplorable behavior. Repent.
Dan+++
ReplyDelete"the point is that a bad tree bears bad fruit."
You quote this all the time. It is clear this is a agriculture reference. For growing fruit trees. Also bad soil, weather, sunlight all contribute to fruit production in trees.
Dan using 'agriculture practises' as bases for morality?
scary, crazy stuff
Dan weather we like it or not drugs and fornication happen. Heroin babies die very painful death shortly after birth. In these rare cases would you support the early termination of the heroin addicts pregnancy? (time travel won't be acceptable answer)
Still No?
So you would have a herion addicts fetus grow into a baby be born in pain and then die in torcher. Oh and by your worldview go to hell.
Bad Fruit indeed from the tree of theism.
"the point is that a bad tree bears bad fruit."
ReplyDeleteAnd of course the problem with this approach, Dan, and its corollary - that bad fruit indicates a bad tree - means that the tree of Christianity, looked at over the course of its history, is rotten to the core.
The fact is that everything in life can be used either for positive or negative purposes. To use Ant's example of the heroin addict, the products of the opium poppy can also be used for pain relief in palliative care. Part of the problem of the Christian approach, I feel, is that it seeks to completely remove temptations, rather than teach people how to deal with and manage them. It seeks to make people feel guilty for being tempted or - heaven forbid! - succumbing to temptation, rather than accepting that this is perfectly normal and can be an opportunity for learning about ourselves.
It's pointless and destructive to try to deny our animal nature rather than embrace it. All creatures naturally seek pleasure after their fashion - the Epicureans had the right of it, I think, in saying that pleasure in moderation is the way to go, and that the pleasures of friendship and intellectual endeavour are the highest good for humanity.
the point is that a bad tree bears bad fruit. You cannot expect good things to happen when you coddle, or enable, evil.
ReplyDeleteQuick, without appealing to the Bible (because that would be viciously circular), explain how we can know whether the "bad tree bears bad fruit" idiom is metaphorical, allegorical or literal.
Here's a hint, Junior: you can't
Ant,
ReplyDelete>>Dan weather we like it or not drugs and fornication happen.
So does pedophilia, is that OK? Should we "accept" it?
>>Heroin babies die very painful death shortly after birth.
O'rly? If the baby dies its either a still birth or from something like AIDS (from the needle use) or SIDS (infanticide). If a baby survives the birth the likely hood of survival is good. Granted they go through withdraws, like any adult, but they soon recover, like adults.
>>In these rare cases would you support the early termination of the heroin addicts pregnancy?
NO!!!! We are not to play god. God knows what He is doing by keeping that baby alive. I would be more then honored to raise that baby as my own. Maybe we will someday soon.
>>So you would have a herion addicts fetus grow into a baby be born in pain and then die in torcher.
If that is God's Will then yes. I will not play god at all. I will not determine who will and who will not die. If a woman gets raped even, I would be happy to raise that baby for her. I know of a pastor that was the product of rape and his mom decided to raise him and he turned out to do a great deal of good for this world. God's will be done...
>>Oh and by your worldview go to hell.
Oh, I see that you think you are god now. That explains everything! BTW, children go to Heaven.
Dan Wrote: Oh, I see that you think you are god now. That explains everything! BTW, children go to Heaven.
ReplyDeleteIf this is the case, the best thing you can do for babies that you love is to abort them. This ensures they go to heaven. After all, this would guarantee that the baby wouldn't grow up to possibly turn from their faith or reject God.
If you are worried about your own soul, just ensure that only atheists are doing the abortions.
DD,
ReplyDelete>>It's pointless and destructive to try to deny our animal nature rather than embrace it.
Just,... wow. I am sure Ted Bundy would agree with you as he gave into his "animal nature". He certainly embraced it.
>>It [Christianity] seeks to make people feel guilty for being tempted or - heaven forbid! - succumbing to temptation, rather than accepting that this is perfectly normal and can be an opportunity for learning about ourselves.
Yea, I am sure John Wayne Gacy felt what he did was "perfectly normal" and learned a great deal about himself. Hey everyone! DD thinks pedophilia should be done in moderation!
Incidentally, a little trivia, Gacy was 30 miles from my house when He did what he did and Andrea Yates was less then an hour away when she drown her kids. Now, I have Debunking Atheists. I guess evil is following me my whole life. :7)
Meatros,
ReplyDelete>>If this is the case, the best thing you can do for babies that you love is to abort them. This ensures they go to heaven. After all, this would guarantee that the baby wouldn't grow up to possibly turn from their faith or reject God.
Do you really think that a place where there is NOTHING but kids, with the knowledge of their parents in Hell, is called Heaven? No, I will trust God's plan. Its apparently more erm...um...logical. :7)
Dan+++
ReplyDelete"So does paedophilia, is that OK? Should we "accept" it?"
No we shouldn't. Should all men chop there cocks off, just to make sure? NO!
"We are not to play god. God knows what He is doing by keeping that baby alive."
If there is a god, what he is doing is torturing the poor thing for a couple of hours/days before it dies.
What a disgusting monster.
"like any adult, but they soon recover, like adults."
Is this your opinion, bare assertion or a 'revelation'?
Also, was it confronting when your bases of your worldview 'crappy agricultural practises apply to everything' was exposed? ;7
Oh... what if there is a god and he is acting though humans again (see genocide or capital punishment post), conducting abortions as 'justise'?
If that is God's Will then yes. I will not play god at all. I will not determine who will and who will not die.
ReplyDeleteMoral cowardice dressed up in hifallutin' words.
If a woman gets raped even, I would be happy to raise that baby for her. I know of a pastor that was the product of rape and his mom decided to raise him and he turned out to do a great deal of good for this world. God's will be done...
So...you're happy for a rapist to act as your god's instrument, but drug addiction and consensual extramarital sex are all humans' fault and shouldn't be dealt with compassionately. Right. Lovely religion you have there, Dan.
Yea, I am sure John Wayne Gacy felt what he did was "perfectly normal" and learned a great deal about himself.
ReplyDeleteYep. Should have known you'd take what I wrote to the extreme and completely miss the point in the process. How do you know Gacy wasn't acting on your god's orders? That your god didn't allow Gacy to be born to an abusive father who shaped him into a monster for some inscrutable divine purpose? Isn't your god supposed to work in 'mysterious ways'? And he certainly had his thugs commit some serious atrocities in the past, if your scriptures contain a shred of truth.
Hey everyone! DD thinks pedophilia should be done in moderation!
First of all, I'm sure you understand that this is slanderous - or perhaps you don't, given that you've failed to understand the point of my comment. Let me spell it out for you: repression is destructive. Accepting that we have weaknesses and foibles and difficulties and that it's natural for us to have them makes them manageable and something to be dealt with, not something to be ashamed of and pushed down and ignored.
The trouble with Christianity is that it has a heritage of treating the body as sinful and dirty by its very nature, and something to be ashamed of in principle. Hardly a healthy approach.
Oh, and the most important ethic of the hedonist - at least the Epicurean variety - is that one must not prevent others from pursuing their own pleasures, and that pleasure, in order to be considered pleasure, must not lead to pain and destruction. I hardly think, given these considerations, that paedophilia qualifies as a pleasurable activity.
DormantDragon said...
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you understand that this is slanderous
Defamation in the written form is libel ;-)
Dan Wrote:
ReplyDeleteDo you really think that a place where there is NOTHING but kids, with the knowledge of their parents in Hell, is called Heaven? No, I will trust God's plan. Its apparently more erm...um...logical.
Why would there be nothing but kids? That doesn't follow. Obviously there will still be some converts to Christianity, unless you are denying that people "come to Christ" as adults.
Further, why wouldn't it be called heaven?
Finally, how do you know that doing such *is not* part of God's plan?
Defamation in the written form is libel ;-)
ReplyDeleteI can never remember which one is which. I suspect the effect of either is much the same...