Congresswoman Jane Harman made pseudo headlines when Congressional Quarterly revealed that she had been caught on a wiretap agreeing to help two Israeli lobbyists accused of spying. In exchange, wealthy Democratic donator Haim Saban agreed to pressure Nancy Pelosi to make Harman chair of the House Intelligence Committee, which deals with spying.
Harman also pressured The New York Times to kill a story on wiretaps, which she supported alongside former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
All efforts ended up failing, and created merely a headache for Harman. And also for people trying to follow all the wheeling and dealing.
I don't know which is worse, that there are Israeli lobbyist spies in the US or the corrupt Congress that hides their wrongdoings. California, corrupt and completely evil...No Way!
Update: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government today said it would drop charges in an espionage case against two pro-Israel lobbyists because it was unlikely to win at trial and classified information would have to be disclosed. Imagine that. Your government not at work.
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You can guess who is really concerned about that.
ReplyDeleteGet a load of this post.
Face it, you know that this had to be coming when it was revealed just who the lobbyists worked for.
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of crap you are offering. So if Nazi white supremacists and I agree that slaughtering babies is wrong that makes me one also?
By insinuating, you still are suggesting something no matter how imperceptibly. So you do not care if the liberal members of your government is making deals in attempts to hide spies? Great at least we all know. BTW the demise of this country, and common morals, will be from the like of your kind. I guess that is Atheists then?
No, you idiot. I'm just saying that those people will take advantage of it, that's all.
ReplyDeleteBTW the demise of this country, and common morals, will be from the like of your kind. I guess that is Atheists then?No. We're not the ones who are constantly getting busted for pedophilia priests, we're not the ones who have implemented, or support the implementing of the crap that the religious right's guy George Bush pushed through for the last eight years. We're not the ones who are castrating science education in the states for the sake of superstition, we're not the ones who defend acts of genocide by saying that it's ok if "god" wills it, etc.
ReplyDeleteYou jackass, you don't have an effing clue what you're talking about.
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteI think we both can agree that pedophilia priests, G.W., and people that defend acts of genocide by saying that it's ok if "god" wills it, are all anti-Christian. That is if the Bible is the ultimate authority, so in a way they are your kind...anti-God.
At the very least every type you described, including Atheists, will all end up in that same place after the Judgment. So you all will have a great deal to talk about, that is if you're allowed to talk down there.
That is if the Bible is the ultimate authority, so in a way they are your kind...anti-God."My kind"? Fuck you, Dan. Where in hell did I associate myself with those kind of people? One with brains would think that the fact that I've expressed contempt for them would show that I do not.
ReplyDeleteThose people are on your side, you just don't want to admit it. Was Swaggert or Haggerd "anti-god"? No, they were supposedly professing xians who failed, not those who actively "fought against" god.
As I said earlier, you don't have a fucking clue, you just want to smear atheists by associating us with those scumbags, even though they themselves professed to be one of you.
Nice reasoning you've got there....no matter how bad someone acts on your side, you can foist them off and say that they're "my kind".
ReplyDeleteReynold,
ReplyDeleteWhere in hell did I associate myself with those kind of people?
Not you but the authority of God's Word.
According to the authority of the Bible Swaggert and Haggerd are indeed "anti-God"
Now I am sure you do not associate yourself with Stalin or Mao even if they did things "in the name" of Atheism.
you just want to smear atheists by associating us with those scumbags,
And you're not?
no matter how bad someone acts on your side, you can foist them off and say that they're "my kind".
Nope, they are the human kind, very evil and wicked, like the rest of us. Dude, you are my kind. That is why we need a Savior.
Dude, you are my kind.====
ReplyDeleteYou never said that, you kept referring to "your kind" when talking about those who are responsible for the loss of america's morals, etc.
"Needing a saviour" is irrelevent if this character doesn't exist in the first place.
You've alos gotten confused about "anti-god"...does every xian who sins then become "anti-god"? Swaggert was a believer and a preacher for many years. When caught, he begged forgiveness. Does that make him "anti-god" or just a xian who screwed up? Where do you draw the line?
I note that you didn't say anything about the neo-nazi links anymore. I can only assume that you now realize what I had said earlier: I was just posting them to show that those people will take advantage of that kind of incident; not to imply that you were one of them.
"I think we both can agree that pedophilia priests, G.W., and people that defend acts of genocide by saying that it's ok if "god" wills it, are all anti-Christian."
ReplyDeleteNo, Dan, you are denying your own holy book. Remeber? Your god is the one that commanded Israel to kill everyone (man, woman, and child) that was already living in the land he was "giving" them. Oh, I'm familiar with the spin that it was "righteous judgement" (against newborns?) But the fact remains that that is genocide, and christians excuse it by saying it's okay if their god commanded it. To do otherwise is to deny the bible as an authority.
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteDoes that make him "anti-god" or just a xian who screwed up? Where do you draw the line?
I cannot judge a man's motives but I can see his fruit to see if it is of God or not. Haggard, like John over at DC, can certainly become a Christian but his fruit showed he was never one...yet.
I cannot judge a man's motives but I can see his fruit to see if it is of God or not. Haggard, like John over at DC, can certainly become a Christian but his fruit showed he was never one...yet.==========
ReplyDeleteSo all of Haggard's past history showed that he was never a xian? Do you remember what the past public history of that guy was??
Also, what about Swaggert? I'm sure you remember what he was like before he "fell". What would you have said about the "fruits" of one who led evangelism crusades?
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteIt is very simple and clear. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
John over at DC is a fine example.
I am sure you will agree that professing Christianity is certainly not Christianity.
Cheesy saying time: Christianity is not the goal God is, Christianity is a lifestyle. Like an airplane, once you stop you drop. Is it a sin that Jesus stole my heart?
Update: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government today said it would drop charges in an espionage case against two pro-Israel lobbyists because it was unlikely to win at trial and classified information would have to be disclosed. Imagine that. Your government not at work.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious -- what does the resident Pro-Israeli have to say here? Is he pro-prosecution of these guys, or is he content with allowing treason to go unpunished?
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Stan
So you're saying that any time a xian does something wrong, they're not a true christian? Then you're screwed. Everyone still sins, even those who have accepted christ.
ReplyDeleteAll it is is a matter of degree. Care to tell me where the line is, since you seem to be able to tell just who is a "true" christian and who isn't?
Then there's the fact that you had said that "people like me" will be responsible for the downfall of america and "morals". Your "not true christian" argument does not shoot down the fact that those people I listed who gave such grief were professing members of your religion, and were NOT atheists.
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying that any time a xian does something wrong, they're not a true christian?
Not at all. We sin...I sin but a good indicator is that a Christian will care that he sins and will want to change that behavior. Like Sye said "Christians are not perfect, just forgiven."
Care to tell me where the line is, since you seem to be able to tell just who is a "true" christian and who isn't?
Repentance (Acts 17:30, Hebrews 11:25, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 2 Timothy 2:25, 2 Peter 3:9, Revelation 2:16, Revelation 16:9)
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Yes, I've known those verses. Guess what? Even though christians sincerely want to repent of their sins, there is pretty much an infinite number of sins, both big and small that they still commit. Remember, you people believe that even the "smallest" sin is enough to warrent hell.
ReplyDeleteEven if they are able to drop some of them, there are still a multitude of "small" sins that are committed.
No how matter one "repents", one still sins, even small ones.
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteNo how matter one "repents", one still sins, even small ones.
Fair enough, but keep in mind if there is a grading scale, as you state, then Christians are reduced to only small sins. Yes we still sin and we are not perfect. The difference is that we are made perfect in Christ because He is perfect. I will bow to that perfection because I know how difficult it was to resist sin without Him. But you know that also.
Without acknowledgment of His perfection and an understanding of your evil ways and flawed mentality then, like an alcoholic, there is no recovery from it until you realize it. You choose evil (alcoholism) proclaiming that you don't have a problem. Sad. You are ruining lives around you. Do you even realize that? This intervention is because we love you. Will you please seek treatment today?