Apparently today the "fools" are the Government.
Thanks infowars.com
The court ruling here says it all. "Because the Million Dollar Bill does not pose any resonable risk of fraud, nor does it pose a risk of facilitating would-be counterfeiters it does NOT violate 18 USC 474 or 475."
The Judge adds "Secret Service Agents violated the fourth Amendment by seizing the Million Dollar Bills from GNN's Office without a Warrant or Valid Consent"
Ray said "This week a Judge ruled in favor of GNN and ordered the return of the 8,300 Gospel tracts!
We thank God that the Judge also ruled that our tracts are NOT violations of the counterfeiting law (the basis for the illegal search and seizure). Additionally, Judge Solis stated that two of the Secret Service agents "conspired together" to cover up their actions, including lying on the stand."
So our Government will possibly have to pay for this Ministry's legal fees and GNN has the right to sue for damages that extend into the millions. (get it?)
So this Government will, by proxy, fund the ministry of Christianity! Bwahahahahahah
God, you crack me up. Thanks for the smiles.
Dan:
ReplyDeleteSo this Government will, by proxy, fund the ministry of Christianity! Bwahahahahahah
What's so special about that? The american gov't already freely subsidizes your faith through the various tax breaks, faith-based funding programs, allowing the military to proselytize, etc.
I have to agree with you, Dan: it was pretty silly to seize the million dollar bills. In fact, I have a million dollar bill myself taped up in my workshop, and many people have admired it.
ReplyDeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteThis is a it off topic, but a thread that runs through your writing is that you don't feel the need to worry about expanding population and depletion of resources of the earth.
You might want to tae a loo at this video by Abert Bartlett from University of Boulder as he has shown very well how population growth works.
Here she is.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>The american gov't already freely subsidizes your faith through the various tax breaks, faith-based funding programs, allowing the military to proselytize, etc.
God bless America (if that continues) I guess what is funny is that they are doing against their will. When they want it to stop, like these says, they cannot stop it. You made a good point though.
Froggie,
ReplyDelete>>You might want to tae a loo at this video by Abert Bartlett from University of Boulder as he has shown very well how population growth works.
Bartlett's Law (expanding population) is an interesting point BUT how do you explain away the exponential function from the evolutionists standpoint? What I am asking is why is it such a "big concern" today if the population has doubled every ten years when it has been doing so for 100,000 years according to evolutionists? Second, do the math, 100,000/10 that is 10,000 doubling. If you started with, according to evolutionists, 1000 people evolving simultaneously you would have a population today of ... (had to do it on excel spreadsheet) ...1.0715E+304. Question: Is that number 1.0715 with 304 zero's? A number more then stars or even atoms in the universe. So something is wrong, either Bartlett's Law's assumptions about growth or evolution. Which one?
My own Question: Is that number 1.0715 with 304 zero's?
ReplyDeleteNo it is much larger then that. It is 1.0715 times 1.0715 for 304 times!!!!!
That is a very very large number.
So who is wrong? Bartlett's Law's assumptions about growth or evolution?
Dan
ReplyDeleteWhat I am asking is why is it such a "big concern" today if the population has doubled every ten years when it has been doing so for 100,000 years according to evolutionists?
You've forgotten about a little thing called "farming", Dan. It wasn't until humanity got agriculture and civilization generally going did that law really take hold.
Here, learn something. Again.
This isn't that hard, all it takes is a little research.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>You've forgotten about a little thing called "farming", Dan.
Dude, I was debunking Bartlett's Law and Froggie's claims. The "doubled every ten years" is Bartlett's postulation, not mine. Your aggression is directed wrongly, yet again.
Also Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>It wasn't until humanity got agriculture and civilization generally going did that law really take hold.
Are you postulating that it was "agriculture" that was our downfall? Bartlett's Law, and the downfall, is now a result from our evolution of successful cultivation? Sounds at odds with your worldview.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteYou are talking about "Bartlet's law." That's BS. Bartlet had nothing to do with this mathematical law, he is merely explaining it.
You totally missed the point, as usual.
We are exceeding the carrying capacity of the earth and we have the insight and the means to try to do something about it that we never had before.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteYou are talking about "Bartlet's law." That's BS. Bartlet had nothing to do with this mathematical law, he is merely explaining it.
You totally missed the point, as usual.
We are exceeding the carrying capacity of the earth and we have the insight and the means to try to do something about it that we never had before.
Froggie,
ReplyDelete>>We are exceeding the carrying capacity of the earth and we have the insight and the means to try to do something about it that we never had before.
So you are against (or fighting against) a natural evolutionary process. I thought that was the entire point for your worldview. You know to populate, not that is not the case? You're right I am confused. Your worldview darts around like cats chasing a laser.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised you don't understand since you now think that simple arithmetic is some kind of sientific conspiricy.
We have created a huge detrimental effect on the earth with our technology. We also have the technology to reverse it.
ReplyDeleteDan
ReplyDeleteDude, I was debunking Bartlett's Law and Froggie's claims. The "doubled every ten years" is Bartlett's postulation, not mine. Your aggression is directed wrongly, yet again.
I shot down your strawman of it...Bartlett's Law (expanding population) is an interesting point BUT how do you explain away the exponential function from the evolutionists standpoint?
As seeb abivem you misused it as creationists usually do to twist it into making the actual age of the earth look wrong.
As for "yet again"? Have you forgotten the number of times that I, and other people here, have smacked you down on this blog?
Are you postulating that it was "agriculture" that was our downfall?
No, we just have to learn to live within our means. In other words, to adapt.
Hmmm...what does that sound like?
Bartlett's Law, and the downfall, is now a result from our evolution of successful cultivation?
And poor management skills. So much for your point.
Sounds at odds with your worldview.
Sounds like you're focusing on just one thing in order to try to discredit an entire theory, while ignoring the fact that humans have done other things that have messed ourselves up. As in poor population planning.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>As in poor population planning.
Populations are planned? Hitler much? I thought population figures were recorded, not directed.
That is what Bill Gates is saying at around 4:00 to 4:51 to lower the population by 15% with reproductive vaccines.
“If we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services (abortion), we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 per cent.”
What a great guy. You're all sick.
Christ, Dan...here you go again.
ReplyDeleteBy "population planning" I'm referring NOT to genocide, you idiot.
Just the lack of thinking in people's family and city population planning. Think birth control. Though you'll probably yell: "He supports forced abortions" or some such shit.
That's not something even Bill Gates advocates. He sounds like he's talking about some kind of injectable birth-control pill.
One has to be SO careful around people like you. Anything that can be twisted will be.
Is it dishonesty on your part? How many times have I had to straighten you out when I'm talking to you?
And of course, with your "outrage" over your strawman of what I said, you've dodged the fact that you screwed up Bartlett's Law to try to disprove the long age of the earth.
Dan quoting me:
ReplyDeleteThe american gov't already freely subsidizes your faith through the various tax breaks, faith-based funding programs, allowing the military to proselytize, etc.
God bless America (if that continues)
You do realize that your Constitution prohibits that kind of behaviour in the first place, right? The gov't is not supposed to help establish or suppress any religion. Not that the repugs ever cared...
Example
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/six-month-report-2007/six_month_report2.html
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>> Think birth control.
Some, like myself, believe that babies are a gift from God. So birth control would, in turn, mean denying God. We don't agree with that so we will continue to have as many kids that God allows. You would have to kill us to stop us...Oh genocide, now I get what Gates and you want now.
>>One has to be SO careful around people like you. Anything that can be twisted will be.
With a dash of stubbornness then ditto for Atheists. Maybe that just makes us the fallible humans that we are.
>>Is it dishonesty on your part?
I don't believe so.
>>How many times have I had to straighten you out when I'm talking to you?
Just once recently about the shroud. Before that, it gets foggy.
>>And of course, with your "outrage" over your strawman of what I said, you've dodged the fact that you screwed up Bartlett's Law to try to disprove the long age of the earth.
Maybe so, higher mathematics is not my strongest trait but I am trying. This is, after all, a teaching blog.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>You do realize that your Constitution prohibits that kind of behaviour in the first place, right?
Yes I absolutely do, that is merely me being flip. The Founding Fathers did not say freedom from religion but freedom of religion. As long as we elect Christians into office that will be the case. Isn't the Constitution great! Here is a wacky idea, stop electing Christians into office. Oh wait, you have, and look where we are now. The people has the power to change such a thing as Government supported religions if the masses want that. Apparently you are not the masses. Give it time, have patience, you will be the majority very soon and watch what happens then. Can you say "bring back lion's dens for Christians."
I do like when the government tries to violate the constitution against Christians though, such as this case here, and gets burned, and subsequently sued for doing bad things. Bad Governments are profitable for regular, God fearing, people. Just know that you have been forewarned.
Dan
ReplyDeleteThe Founding Fathers did not say freedom from religion but freedom of religion. As long as we elect Christians into office that will be the case. Isn't the Constitution great!
So long as you people don't subvert it, yes. Guess what "freedom of religion" means? It means that the gov't can't push any religious view on people. Even xianity. It is supposed to be neutral.
That means that if you're muslim, you can't be pressured into xianity. If you're xian, you can't be pressured into islam, etc. Each religion is allowed to practice their own beliefs freely, or none at all. Just as a christian can't be pressured into islam, an atheist can't be pressured into a religion either.
The christians you people put into office, like Bush et al, with their programs (faith-based nonsense) and military proselytizing in the middle east are not neutral.
Neutrality means for instance, that in schools, teachers are not supposed to say one thing or the other about whether any god exists or not.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>> It means that the gov't can't push any religious view on people.
But that does not mean it cannot support Christianity. Passive support is not pushing.
>> It is supposed to be neutral.
There is no such animal. Must be an evolutionists construct.
>> Each religion is allowed to practice their own beliefs freely, or none at all.
Agree'd and that is why the law suites will be a flying for violation of the 4th amendment in this case. Isn't that great!? The Judicial system rocks!
>> Just as a christian can't be pressured into islam, an atheist can't be pressured into a religion either.
So, the Government helping the homeless is considered pressure into Christianity by Atheists? OK, got it.
>>with their programs (faith-based nonsense) and military proselytizing in the middle east are not neutral.
It is not "pressure to convert", is it?
>>Neutrality means for instance, that in schools, teachers are not supposed to say one thing or the other about whether any god exists or not.
Just that evolution is true and the ONLY theory that makes sense. Don't get me started on the "secular school system" discussion.
Dan quoting me:
ReplyDeleteReynold,
>> Think birth control.
Some, like myself, believe that babies are a gift from God.
One should be able to manage their gifts.
So birth control would, in turn, mean denying God.
So then not having sex at every possible opportunity is also "denying god"? How is that any different than birth control when you do have sex?
So then you'll just keep having irresponsible sex without any regard to whether you can afford more kids or not? No condoms or no getting your tubes tied when you think you've had enough?
Ever think about what life must be like in Africa where your attitude prevails? Or even in communist China which has so many people?
We don't agree with that so we will continue to have as many kids that God allows. You would have to kill us to stop us...Oh genocide, now I get what Gates and you want now.
Jesus tap-dancing christ, here we go again!
Where in HELL do you get the idea that I'm for "genocide"? Why do you keep saying that I am, even when I say and show that I'm not?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It means that the gov't can't push any religious view on people.
ReplyDeleteBut that does not mean it cannot support Christianity. Passive support is not pushing.
Things like the military trying to convert people is NOT "passive support".
It is supposed to be neutral.
There is no such animal. Must be an evolutionists construct.
Baloney as usual. You have a good persecution complex there. So if a teacher or gov't worker doesn't say one thing or another about whether a god exists, they're still hostile?
Each religion is allowed to practice their own beliefs freely, or none at all.
Agree'd and that is why the lawsuits will be a flying for violation of the 4th amendment in this case. Isn't that great!? The Judicial system rocks!
Until of course, the gov't gets caught out by the ACLU showing too much attention to your religion...then it's "activist judges" and all that shit.
Just as a christian can't be pressured into islam, an atheist can't be pressured into a religion either.
So, the Government helping the homeless is considered pressure into Christianity by Atheists? OK, got it.
Huh? I'm referring to agencies that take the tax dollars of every american, yet will only hire xians. How is that constitutional? Also, if they're explicitly christian, there are sometimes strings attached to their help.
Are you deliberatly trying to miss any points here?
with their programs (faith-based nonsense) and military proselytizing in the middle east are not neutral.
It is not "pressure to convert", is it?
You miss the point: Gov't workers are not supposed to preach when on the job! Besides, when it's done by soldiers, who are (supposed to be) helping you, does it not at least look like there's some pressure?
For instance, would a Muslim soldier sent by a country (whose main religion is Islam) to help out your country tries to convert you to Islam, would you not see that as at least a little bit of "pressure"?
Neutrality means for instance, that in schools, teachers are not supposed to say one thing or the other about whether any god exists or not.
Just that evolution is true and the ONLY theory that makes sense. Don't get me started on the "secular school system" discussion.
According to the evidence, evolution is true. What teachers are not supposed to do is to say whether any god was behind it, or any god is ruled out by it. A few hundred years ago, we'd be having this same talk, only about "heliocentrism" being taught in schools.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>So then not having sex at every possible opportunity is also "denying god"?
Maybe, I will use that the next time she has a headache. Headaches are denying God.
>>How is that any different than birth control when you do have sex?
>>So then you'll just keep having irresponsible sex without any regard to whether you can afford more kids or not?
God provides a way, always.
>>No condoms or no getting your tubes tied when you think you've had enough?
Nope
>>Ever think about what life must be like in Africa where your attitude prevails?
Yes indeed I do. That is just another reason I drop to my knees, in gratefulness. Africa's "attitude" is fornication, where AIDS prevails.
>>Or even in communist China which has so many people?
Just ask China how that forced birth control (population control or one child policy) is going. Their motto is "It's a Girl! Kill her" What do you have against girls? Never took you as someone against human rights also.
From the link "The direct reasons for the rise in SRB (sex ratio at birth) can be summarized as follows: female infanticide (Coale and Banister, 1994; Banister, 2004), underreporting and misreporting for female infants (Johansson and Nygren, 1991; Zeng et al., 1993), and sex-selective abortion of female fetuses (Gu and Roy, 1995; Croll, 2001; Qiao, 2004; Li et al., 2004;). Recent studies demonstrate that it is sex-selective abortion rather than female infanticide or underreporting that causes the rise in SRB(Croll, 2001; Banister, 2004; Wei et al., 2005)."
Never took you as someone against human rights also. Who would of thunk. Can you imagine a world without girls? YUCK!!!!!
Anyway, is not procreation part of your evolutionary worldview anyway? "We can't afford children" is not what we hear in nature at all. How anti evolution and unnatural of you.
>>Where in HELL do you get the idea that I'm for "genocide"? Why do you keep saying that I am, even when I say and show that I'm not?
With statements like, "One should be able to manage their gifts." or "Ever think about what life must be like in Africa where your attitude prevails? Or even in communist China which has so many people? "
>>What the $%#@ is wrong with you?
I believe in human rights and love everyone enough to show them Christ, to enjoy eternal life together. Call me crazy.
Reynold cont'd,
ReplyDelete>>Things like the military trying to convert people is NOT "passive support".
You would have a point if they tried to strong arm people as you are inferring. I was in the military and went to ports like Philippines and Thailand. A little reminder of the morality of God would not hurt any of us.
>> So if a teacher or gov't worker doesn't say one thing or another about whether a god exists, they're still hostile?
If they are not Christian, then certainly yes! False religions are even hostile to God by breaking the 2nd commandment.
>>Huh? I'm referring to agencies that take the tax dollars of every american, yet will only hire xians. How is that constitutional? Also, if they're explicitly christian, there are sometimes strings attached to their help.
>>Are you deliberatly trying to miss any points here?
No, but apparently you are. These "Faith Based Grants" are for Faith-Based organizations and Communities that provide aid the needy. Even though we all know, all too well, that the local atheist organizations do not help the needy (as proven by statistics) as much as the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives do. Some humanists they are, huh? So the Government gives grants to help those organizations give aid to the needy. Shame on you for not wanting people to help other people in times of need, and shame on you for not wanting to be a part of such a great thing for mankind.
Have no fear though. Atheists can apply and receive Faith Based Grants also since they are indeed a "Faith religion", as determined by our Court system. So go an help some people.
>>Gov't workers are not supposed to preach when on the job! Besides, when it's done by soldiers, who are (supposed to be) helping you, does it not at least look like there's some pressure? For instance, would a Muslim soldier sent by a country (whose main religion is Islam) to help out your country tries to convert you to Islam, would you not see that as at least a little bit of "pressure"?
Pressure? Not so much, personal concern yes. If a Muslim, in uniform, helped me out of a burning building and asked if I wanted to convert to Islam, I would not feel pressured to in the least. If he threatened to decapitate me I would not feel threatened to convert in the least.
Do you feel pressure to be gay when a gay man hits on you, or do you just tell him that you are straight? You would feel the pressure to be gay, by your logic. Hmmm, what else could you be wrong about within your logic?
>> A few hundred years ago, we'd be having this same talk, only about "heliocentrism" being taught in schools.
Just the opposite, the school systems were run by the churches and preached an earth centered universe (Evolution). I would be against that. So we are just getting the TRUTH out as Galileo so bravely did. Remember, the RCC fully believe and endorse evolution these days. Hmmm, what else could they be wrong about within their logic?
Reynold,
ReplyDeleteI just read something that reminded me of our conversation in discussing the unfairness of faith based grants.
40-Million Tax Dollars to be Wasted on Venerating Darwin
Talk about faith based...
That's pretty hilarious. :D Thanks for sharing this.
ReplyDeleteDan
ReplyDeleteReynold,
I just read something that reminded me of our conversation in discussing the unfairness of faith based grants.
40-Million Tax Dollars to be Wasted on Venerating Darwin
Talk about faith based...
Talk about lying. They're studying the process of evolution, you idiot, not "venerating Darwin" or anyone else. And, unlike Intelligent Design, evolution actually has been tested and verified.
Those "faith based" programs though, only hire christians, though they take everyone's tax money. At least the science program that the Disco people are complainig about don't have that kind of discriminatory hiring practice.
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>evolution actually has been tested and verified.
Evolutionists say evolution is a fact, every bit as much as gravity is a fact. That is remarkable. We see and even feel gravity everyday. Evolution, on the other hand, entails rather dramatic, one-time, events that were supposed to have occurred long ago, when no one was around to witness them. How could we be sure of such a theory? There must be some extremely powerful and compelling scientific evidence for evolution to make it a fact as gravity is a fact. That is what one would think. But, surprisingly, there is no such evidence. When evolutionists try to explain why evolution is a fact, it is a tremendous anticlimax.(Uncommon Descent)
Dan quoting me
ReplyDelete>>So then not having sex at every possible opportunity is also "denying god"?
Maybe, I will use that the next time she has a headache. Headaches are denying God.
Stupid...
How is that any different than birth control when you do have sex?
Did you actually answer that question?
So then you'll just keep having irresponsible sex without any regard to whether you can afford more kids or not?
God provides a way, always.
Now that is foolish. If what you said was true, than the poverty rates among the "christianized" south would be far different.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/07/health/main4998190.shtml
For that matter, the Jews would have been able to escape the Holocaust. Yeah, he "always" provides a way. You are crazy.
No condoms or no getting your tubes tied when you think you've had enough?
Nope
Good luck living in the poverty life.
Ever think about what life must be like in Africa where your attitude prevails?
Yes indeed I do. That is just another reason I drop to my knees, in gratefulness. Africa's "attitude" is fornication, where AIDS prevails.
As usual, you miss my point. In africa the "holy catholic church" forbids birth control measures like condoms and whatnot. That's why they have such a high AIDS and infant mortality rate.
Or even in communist China which has so many people?
Just ask China how that forced birth control (population control or one child policy) is going. Their motto is "It's a Girl! Kill her" What do you have against girls?
Again you miss my point. China implemented it's draconian policies that go too far by anyone's standard after they already had a huge number of people. If africa keeps following the pope's advice, and your attitude, it could happen there too.
If they took milder measures decades ago, they'd never have reached that point.
Never took you as someone against human rights also.
Yes you have. You accuse me of it in half of your posts. Remember when you accused me of being of the type who'd turn the Jews over to the nazis?
Anyway, is not procreation part of your evolutionary worldview anyway?
Yes, it's part of it, Dan. There is also the little thing called Adaptation to our situation/environment.
"We can't afford children" is not what we hear in nature at all. How anti evolution and unnatural of you.
How ignorant and strawmanish of you.
Where in HELL do you get the idea that I'm for "genocide"? Why do you keep saying that I am, even when I say and show that I'm not?
With statements like, "One should be able to manage their gifts." or "Ever think about what life must be like in Africa where your attitude prevails? Or even in communist China which has so many people? "
Again, please show where I support Genocide. I'm only talking about birth control. NOT the same thing.
Regarding evolution:
ReplyDeleteHow we can be sure of that theory is all the predictions that it has verfied through tests. Read the link I gave. It details them.
On the other hand, what has ID ever done?
http://blog.jmlynch.org/2009/12/09/the-year-in-id-2009/
Dan quoting me:
ReplyDelete>>Things like the military trying to convert people is NOT "passive support".
You would have a point if they tried to strong arm people as you are inferring.
What would you consider "strong arming"? People with weapons bailing your country out constitutes no pressure? You people sure wig out when science is taught in schools. You consider THAT pressure!
Besides, they are NOT supposed to be trying to convert people in the first place! The army is NOT a branch of the body of christ.
I was in the military and went to ports like Philippines and Thailand. A little reminder of the morality of God would not hurt any of us.
That's what the missionaries said when they came to the New World. We all know how that turned out...entire cultures wiped out.
So if a teacher or gov't worker doesn't say one thing or another about whether a god exists, they're still hostile?
If they are not Christian, then certainly yes! False religions are even hostile to God by breaking the 2nd commandment.
More of that paranoid persecution complex you fundies have. You admit that even if they don't say anything against your religion, they are still "hostile" simply because they don't bootlick you people.
Huh? I'm referring to agencies that take the tax dollars of every american, yet will only hire xians. How is that constitutional? Also, if they're explicitly christian, there are sometimes strings attached to their help.
>>Are you deliberatly trying to miss any points here?
No, but apparently you are. These "Faith Based Grants" are for Faith-Based organizations and Communities that provide aid the needy. Even though we all know, all too well, that the local atheist organizations do not help the needy (as proven by statistics) as much as the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives do. Some humanists they are, huh?
You obviously don't know how few atheists there are in the West, eh?
Well, to alleviate your ignorance, here's some. Repeated here
You'll notice something: They don't try to promote atheism to those they help. Unlike christian charities, there's no strings attached.
So the Government gives grants to help those organizations give aid to the needy. Shame on you for not wanting people to help other people in times of need, and shame on you for not wanting to be a part of such a great thing for mankind.
ReplyDeleteAnd here you go again. You lie about what my morality must be like, then you berate me for it, you jackass.
I'm getting really bloody sick of you doing that!
Have no fear though. Atheists can apply and receive Faith Based Grants also since they are indeed a "Faith religion", as determined by our Court system. So go an help some people.
Actually, they can't. It was a xian president who set that "faith based" stuff up, and only xian groups have been successful in getting grants.
More pointedly, Kuo quotes an unnamed member of the review panel charged with rating grant applications as saying she stopped looking at applications from “those non-Christian groups,” as did many of her colleagues.
Interesting note:
In fact, when Bush asks Kuo how much money was being spent on “compassion” social programs, Kuo claims he discovered the amount was $20 million a year less than during the Clinton Administration.
So, we have our own charities, as shown in the links I just gave in my last post.
As for what I gave to: Children's Organ Transplant Association, Doctors Without Borders, and one other group whose name I forget.
Gov't workers are not supposed to preach when on the job!
I see that that point sailed right by you, as usual.
Besides, when it's done by soldiers, who are (supposed to be) helping you, does it not at least look like there's some pressure? For instance, would a Muslim soldier sent by a country (whose main religion is Islam) to help out your country tries to convert you to Islam, would you not see that as at least a little bit of "pressure"?
Pressure? Not so much, personal concern yes. "Personal concern" IS pressure, is it not?
That's what the people in the Middle East feel. They're the ones who are actually having to put up with soldiers doing that. The american gov't had promised that preaching would not happen, did it not?
If a Muslim, in uniform, helped me out of a burning building and asked if I wanted to convert to Islam, I would not feel pressured to in the least. If he threatened to decapitate me I would not feel threatened to convert in the least.
Do you feel pressure to be gay when a gay man hits on you, or do you just tell him that you are straight?
Is there a large occupation force of gay people all with weapons in my country, sent by a "gay" country with one of their express objectives being to "convert" me?
You would feel the pressure to be gay, by your logic. Hmmm, what else could you be wrong about within your logic?
Nothing. You're just burning another strawman, again.
A few hundred years ago, we'd be having this same talk, only about "heliocentrism" being taught in schools.
Just the opposite, the school systems were run by the churches and preached an earth centered universe (Evolution).
Baloney. Evolution was not taught much until after the Scopes trial. Also, an "earth centered" universe describes the CHURCH's idea of geocentrism, not evolution.
I would be against that. So we are just getting the TRUTH out as Galileo so bravely did. Remember, the RCC fully believe and endorse evolution these days. Hmmm, what else could they be wrong about within their logic?
The virgin birth, the resurrection, their policy of covering up for pederast priests?
Reynold,
ReplyDelete>>No condoms or no getting your tubes tied when you think you've had enough?
Nope
>>Good luck living in the poverty life.
Poverty where? Here? So what. An eternity with many children with you in Heaven? Priceless.
>>As usual, you miss my point. In africa the "holy catholic church" forbids birth control measures like condoms and whatnot. That's why they have such a high AIDS and infant mortality rate.
As usual, you miss my point. In Africa the false doctrine of the "holy catholic church" forbids birth control measures like condoms and whatnot but they are raping, fornicating, and committing adultery at an alarming rate. That's why they have such a high AIDS and infant mortality rate.
If they were all actual Christians decades ago, they'd never have reached that point.
As far as the whole genocide thing. You do understand that it is merely to make a point, it is not to accuse you of such a heinous thing. Well, besides eating babies that is. :7)
Reynold cont'd,
ReplyDelete>> You lie about what my morality must be like, then you berate me for it, you jackass.
Yes I agree, I will try to stop that.
>> It was a xian president who set that "faith based" stuff up, and only xian groups have been successful in getting grants.
Who cares what some book says? The LAWS say you are indeed a faith based religion and are allowed all the protection and non profit status as the rest of them. Unless of course, you have a persecution complex or refuse to protect your own rights. There I go again...
>>As for what I gave to: Children's Organ Transplant Association, Doctors Without Borders, and one other group whose name I forget.
Braggart much? (Proverbs 25:14, 2 Timothy 3:2). Be mindful of Romans 1:28-32 also.
>>Is there a large occupation force of gay people all with weapons in my country, sent by a "gay" country with one of their express objectives being to "convert" me?
Stop with that fantabulous vision, you thhhilly thavage. You give the song "Its raining men" a whole new image.
Joking aside. You are saying if a large "occupation force of gay people" were attempting to convert you, that you would feel pressured to be gay? Really? So you would consider it then?
>> their policy of covering up for pederast priests?
At least we can agree on one point. Criminal priests need to go to jail. If they don't, all this facade of justice is a pure joke.
Look out for gay men with guns. I would hate to have you compromised.
As usual, you miss my point. In Africa the false doctrine of the "holy catholic church" forbids birth control measures like condoms and whatnot but they are raping, fornicating, and committing adultery at an alarming rate. That's why they have such a high AIDS and infant mortality rate.
ReplyDeleteIf they were all actual Christians decades ago, they'd never have reached that point.
Oh here we go again, the Catholic church are not "true christians". Spare me that shit. There's among the first christians. Besides, you "true" christians have the same opinion on birth control and contraception, so YES, they would have reached that point even if they were "true" christians.
Dan quoting me:
It was a xian president who set that "faith based" stuff up, and only xian groups have been successful in getting grants.
Who cares what some book says? The LAWS say you are indeed a faith based religion and are allowed all the protection and non profit status as the rest of them. Unless of course, you have a persecution complex or refuse to protect your own rights. There I go again...
Yeah, there you go again. If you'd bothered to read the entire court ruling, you'd see that they only did it so that non-believers would be protected. The judges themselves don't consider atheism to be a religion per se.
You seem to have utterly disregarded the fact that your christian bretheren who work in the faith based field are the ones who are denying non-christians the ability to successfully apply for those "faith based" grants. Talk to them, not me.
Dan
Braggart much? (Proverbs 25:14, 2 Timothy 3:2). Be mindful of Romans 1:28-32 also.
You implied that I don't help out other people; I refuted you. You also made a big deal about how much you christians give to charity. So you just exposed yourself as a hypocrite.
Joking aside. You are saying if a large "occupation force of gay people" were attempting to convert you, that you would feel pressured to be gay? Really? So you would consider it then?
Christ, here you go again, putting words in my mouth. I said I'd feel pressured (ie. threatened) not that I'd seriously consider it. Did you get the point at least: There IS a large army of christians with weapons in the Middle East, who ARE trying to convert the people there as part of their "sacred mission" as set up by their religious higher-ups in blatent disregard to what "official" gov't policy is supposed to be, and what the gov't promised to the people over there. Don't you think that the people over there feel any pressure at all? (disregarding the fact that those soldiers are breaking their own rules in doing so)?