I was in a conversation, or battle, with this professing Christan named Wilson over at Triablogue and I thought it would be a good post because of the subject and points that was made about alcohol. This guy that I was talking to is not the point here, even though his ego needed a check, the point was what was said about the consumption of Alcohol.My points were these:
Is getting drunk a sin? Yes! (1 Corinthians 6:10)
Keep in mind that the blood of Christ is "new wine."
Because of all the parasites in the water back then it was safer to squeeze grapes for drinks but that is called 'new wine' and do you know what new wine is? Grape juice.
Jesus turned water into grape juice. Remember the verses about putting new wine into old skins...(Luke 5:33-39)
Personally, I try to do all things that glorify God and I cannot see drinking hard liquor as glorifying God.
Is tobacco a sin? Probably, if you put it before your kids health, it may be. If you place it before your own health, and lose a leg like my Father In-Law, it may be. Is hoarding, if it causes your kids to be unhealthy or unsafe? Sure. Not being considerate of others can be evil. If you will not give it up for anything or anyone, that you covet it more then God Himself, then sure, it is a sin.
When the Lord spoke about it as favorable in Isaiah 65:8 "Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all." (my emphasis)
Also, a wine press does not create wine, AT ALL!!! A wine press (referenced throughout the Bible) makes grape juice.
Fermenting grapes makes the wine and is called many things because of it. Other terms fermented wine is referenced in the Bible as: Wine, Strong drink, Vinegar of wine, Vinegar of strong drink, Liquor of grapes, Dried grapes, The kernels, The husk.
This was not a conversation about Kashrut but look what it says in Numbers 6:3-5 "He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. "
To avoid Fermented grapes "until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy,"
To be Holy is to separate yourself from fermented grapes!!
To be a drunkard is a sin and you are anything but a Christian if you are one. (1 Corinthians 6:10)
Does that mean that whoever drinks a glass of wine is going to hell? Of course not, but if you are an alcoholic and you are tempting yourself with wine that leads to other things then you may be sinning.
Look at Hosea 9:2 and Proverbs 3:10 Do you see that the Bible makes a distinction between wine and new wine to let us know the difference between fermented wine and grape juice? Jesus taught that new wine was not put into old bottles because they couldn’t expand with the pressure. (Matthew 9:17) Right?
Logic also says that the fermentation of wine is the result of adding yeast, a leavening agent, to the grape juice to make alcohol. Correct?
At the supper of unleavened bread, do you think the Lord would offer a drink made with yeast?
There is no way He would logically do that. Grape Juice is new wine.
bit.ly/Whinewine
Just a question here,
ReplyDelete"He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. "
Is that a prohibition against eating grapes, period? It kind of seems like it. Or is "moist grapes, or dried" another term for wine, in your view..?
I see a nit, I pick it. Selectively, mind you, but I'm interested to hear more of your interpretation.
>>Is that a prohibition against eating grapes, period?
ReplyDeleteYes, to be a Holy and separate Nazirite you must apparently abstain from wine, wine vinegar, grapes, raisins, alcohol. Refrain from cutting hair, Avoid corpses and graves, and such.
I had forgotten about the Nazirites. I'm afraid that I lacked proper context—and I certainly hadn't remembered the bit about the grapes.
ReplyDeleteIf wine or strong drink is evil, then why would Paul tell Timothy to mix a little into his water?
ReplyDeleteEven if you go the worn out route that mixing it was diluting it you still don't get around the fundamental problem of mixing what is portrayed as liquid sin in with something that is benign (or life-giving, take your pick).
Sorry Dan. I love you but on this one you are out in left field. The is absolutely no way you can sustain a tee-total abstinence position on wine from the text alone.
Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go have a Guinness (which, incidentally, is brewed by the family of the fine apologist and author Os Guinness).
People will argue these absurd draconian rules about wine and then turn around and beat their kids and justify it with the Bible.
ReplyDeleteGet real, people.
Hey, since atheists can't stick to the topic at hand, I don't have to, either, right, Croaker? I like to smash frogs WITH my Bible. Wow, you people are desperate to attack.
ReplyDeleteHey, since atheists can't stick to the topic at hand, I don't have to, either, right, Croaker?
ReplyDeleteHey... Stinky Wizzleteats... When are you going to explain your reasoning behind posting false comments under assumed names? You don't have to do anything False Christian. Just sit in your corner desperately trying to get yourself off....
I like to smash frogs WITH my Bible. Wow, you people are desperate to attack.
You must be addressing the multitude of personalities in your head. I bet you smash frogs with your bible. You also pull the wings off flies and munch on used condoms.
Funny how these dwellers of parents' basements keep railing, judging and attacking. They keep proving that what I wrote is correct! Laff@U
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ReplyDeleteHey, since atheists can't stick to the topic at hand, I don't have to, either, right, Croaker? I like to smash frogs WITH my Bible. Wow, you people are desperate to attack.
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Yeah, sure. You didn't resond to any of the comments in the privious thread.
Cat had your tongue?
You had no logical answers?
What's going on with that.
Storm reminds me of that idiot- little pixie of terror that used to come around here and call everybody names and threaten to do this and that, but could never actually address any valid points.
ReplyDeleteDespots like that always go belly up.
All mouth- no substance.
It's curious how people interpret the bible to suit their own beliefs.
ReplyDeleteI read from William Bradford's journal that the Puritans, on their way here on the Mayflower drank a gallon of beer a day each- even the kids.
They wanted to go farther south but stopped at Plymouth to make more beer!
Heehee!
Since these atheists think all Christians are liars and hypocrites, maybe one of you would like to contribute to my hypocrisy and buy me this for my wine: http://tinyurl.com/24q647n
ReplyDeleteStormbringer said...
ReplyDelete"Since these atheists think all Christians are liars and hypocrites,...."
I think most of you suffer from cognitive dissonance and early cultural conditioning.
"..... maybe one of you would like to contribute to my hypocrisy and buy me this for my wine: http://tinyurl.com/24q647n"
I damn near fell out of my chair! You exhibited a scintilla of humor.
So, why do you need two of them?
Wes,
ReplyDeleteAre you drunk?
>>If wine or strong drink is evil, then why would Paul tell Timothy to mix a little into his water?
Remember I said that if you are an alcoholic and drinking you may be sinning. If you are drunk you are sinning. IF you are a drunkard then you are not a Christian.
Does that mean that inanimate objects are evil? I don't think so. Is a knife sitting in the kitchen drawer evil? Nope.
Is wine evil? As I already said, nope.
"There is no way [h]e would logically do that. Grape Juice is new wine."
ReplyDeleteHowever, on the assumption that this was written by people who did not know about yeast at the time, there is no surprise. The term "new wine" does not obviously mean grape juice. It may have meant grape juice to the people of the time. But if it has, that just means the bible has become less clear with time. I expect that with a human work. If the bible had divine authorship, however, its meaning should not become clouded.
Stormbringer:
"Hey, since atheists can't stick to the topic at hand, I don't have to, either, right, Croaker?"
Strange, then, that your comment is the first one that bears no obvious relation to the original post. Even Froggie's comment clearly refers to people applying their own beliefs to make the bible say what they want, as Dan seems to be doing in claiming "new wine" means grape juice.
"Funny how these dwellers of parents' basements keep railing, judging and attacking."
I try not to draw any particular attention to your dwelling in your parents' basement. As for the "railing, judging, and attacking," if you don't like it, I suggest you desist.
"Since these atheists think all [c]hristians are liars and hypocrites, maybe one of you would like to contribute to my hypocrisy..."
I don't see that anyone has said all christians are hypocrites. I have seen people criticize you for being a hypocrite. I've criticized you myself. But why would I or anyone else want to contribute to something that we want to see stopped?
Funny how these dwellers of parents' basements keep railing, judging and attacking. They keep proving that what I wrote is correct! Laff@U
ReplyDeleteCome on Storm shitz... You moved into your parent's basement. How do I know? You are the classic projecting loon. So, did you off your family for the real estate?
So... Are you fessing up to your sinful ways yet? No apologies for writing false comments under assumed names?
Does it make you feel good to know you're on your way to becoming a bigger joke than Tammy Faye Bakker?
Since these atheists think all Christians are liars and hypocrites, maybe one of you would like to contribute to my hypocrisy and buy me this for my wine:
ReplyDeleteI think you've had enough whine, Wizzleteats. And I don't think all Christians are liars and hypocrites. But I know you are.
Enjoy the hell you are living every day and hope for an early grave.
Stormbringer wrote on his bloggy-wog that he posted the comments under other people's names for two reasons, a joke and a prank.
ReplyDelete"Faked a couple of "responses"from the main trolls here in the comment section, left them for a couple of days and took them down. Helps prove two of my points: They can't take a joke, and if they had lives beyond trolling, they wouldn't have been pranked. Their double standards are amazing." (emphasis mine)
He also spews:
"Also, I have to admit to taking joy in baiting them. I put out comments and they jumped all over them. The comments were snarky or jokes, but they chose to take them seriously. I claimed victory, because they fell into my trap and showed their true colors." (emphasis mine)
And yet in the same bloggy-wog post, he snarks:
"Atheists are dishonest. That's right, I said it! In one Weblog, an atheist asked "an honest question". It turned out that this "honest question" was a set-up."
So when Stormbringer jokes and sets traps it's OK, but if an atheist does so they are dishonest...
Pffh! Talk about double standards.
Bob the douche donkey has enabled comments over at his blog again. Let's see how many comments he gets.
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand how he can even begin to call what he did a trap or a joke.
What kind of Christian operates like that? A false one of course.
Even now he has a little note on his comments box about atheist trolls and how they all live in their parent's basement just like he does, only he probably killed both of his. Not physically. They just couldn't stand being around him anymore.
He was spewing out some nonsense today about ancient Rome and Greece being atheist societies.
I think he drinks a lot and it's turned him into a grumpy old bitch with a borderline homosexual fixation on John Wayne.
Stormdung,
ReplyDeleteDon't look now, but the trap you set snapped shut on your own dick.
Hahahahaha!
Sometimes I crack myself up, while making a most valid pint!
Heehee.
While Frog E-Lad is croaking about his accomplishments and waving his tiny tadpole, I should mention that I only glance at comments here. It's funny how such intellectually honest and logically-minded basement-dwelling 12-year-olds love to troll and prove that atheists are not only more intelligent than Christians, but they cannot even handle the topic at hand. Why my articles are "reviewed" here are beyond me. Thank you once again for proving my points. Oh, and if any of you intellectual cowards had bothered to read both parts of my article on why I cannot trust atheists, you would see why you are proving my points. Frog E-Lad, have you reached level 12 in Farmville yet?
ReplyDeletePS -- I only lightly scan these comments, if you people had bothered to read my postings, you'd know that. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a life to lead. Go ahead, continue dwelling in your parents' basements and proving me, and Dan, and Ray, correct about you lot.
ReplyDelete"I should mention that I only glance at comments here."
ReplyDeleteIs your ego so fragile that you can't handle rebuttals? Or is your trolling just to see if you can get a response, any response?
"Why my articles are 'reviewed' here are beyond me."
They aren't. If you actually read the comments instead of merely glancing at them, you'd know that. The only things of yours reviewed here are the comments you make on this blog.
"Oh, and if any of you intellectual cowards..."
Pot, meet kettle. Seriously, how much intellectual fortitude is involved in ignoring responses to the drivel you spout? Judging by your comments, I would say that not only do you fail to know what any commenter here has said, but you don't even know what the main post says.
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Stormbringer makes a lot of claims about his critics. But they are all strawmen. While he talks about trolls, the only obvious troll is himself. If he ever has been abused on this or any other blog, he can't know it. He doesn't read anything anyone else says.
While Frog E-Lad is croaking about his accomplishments and waving his tiny tadpole, I should mention that I only glance at comments here. It's funny how such intellectually honest and logically-minded basement-dwelling 12-year-olds love to troll and prove that atheists are not only more intelligent than Christians, but they cannot even handle the topic at hand.
ReplyDeleteSo Mr. 52 year old virgin. How many 12 year old children do you have locked up in your basement at this time?
So you only glance at comments? I guess molesting all of those pre-pubes doesn't give you much time to drool over any mention of yourself in print...
Why my articles are "reviewed" here are beyond me. Thank you once again for proving my points.
You are so full of yourself. No one reads the tripe you label "articles" over at your ghost town blog. Like the Cheese Shop skit of Monty Python fame, the one thing you have going on your "Weblog" is that it's very clean... Completely unencumbered by comments of any kind.
Oh, and if any of you intellectual cowards had bothered to read both parts of my article on why I cannot trust atheists, you would see why you are proving my points.
As I said just above, no one bothers to read your tripe. No one cares. The only reason anyone pays any attention to you is that you are so paranoid and deluded, you inspire virtual rubbernecking. People can't help but turn and look to see what kind of verbal wreckage is going to come out of your spout next.
Does anyone know of any atheist organizations that did anything for anybody? Hey, I found a master source of things that atheist know conclusively, their creed and the atheist bible. You can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/2wh8ex
ReplyDeleteStormbringer snarked:
ReplyDelete"Does anyone know of any atheist organizations that did anything for anybody?"
If you are eluding to charitable organizations, then, as Dan would say, LOOK IT UP!
Some people don't have to make a song an dance about being charitable...
Now, does anyone know of any atheist organizations that picket and spread hatred outside soldiers' funerals?
Rhiggs,
ReplyDeleteI hope you understand that the article that you linked to was press released by an atheist PR group called The Out Campaign.
Kind of sad for two ways. First that the article needed to be written to "convince" people that they are charitable also. Second, that a religious need PR people to promote its agenda, you know instead of leading by example. Fighting against God is a proverbial up hill battle so its understandable that such an organization is needed. I am sure atheists will keep them busy backpedaling up that hill in the future.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteI agree it is sad that it needed to be written to "convince" people that atheists are charitable. It shouldn't need to be written. Some people (even atheists!) just want to help their fellow man.
So, basically, you're missing the point. Evidence was asked for and I provided it. Now before you continue to shift the goalposts, first consider why I linked to that post, and why that post needed to be written in the first place.
It's simple. How else are we to counter what is implied by hateful people like Stormbringer without promoting what charitable atheist organizations do?
The reason I posted the link (which should be obvious) is that some people, such as Stormbringer here, need to be "convinced", as they go about the internet spewing non-truths that atheists have no morals.
I'm just linking him to the evidence he will undoubtedly ignore.
This, of course, is all beside the point. Even if all atheists were mean, uncaring, immoral assholes it wouldn't make any difference with respect to Christianity being true. Strombringer's implied argument is as fallacious as his earlier attempts to defend Christianity through the 'comfort' factor...
Just one question. Why am I "hateful" when I do not pollute comments sections with obscenities and threaten to follow atheists around to make their lives difficult?
ReplyDeleteAtheists are hypocrites. You love "reason" and "logic", and act like the most unreasonable and illogical spoiled dwellers of parents' basements that I have ever had the misfortune of encountering. You fools constantly prove that I am right, but you are so agonizingly stupid that you cannot logically follow it.
Stormbringer asked:
ReplyDelete"Why am I "hateful""
Just read your last comment again and you'll see why you're hateful. You don't need to use obscenities to be hateful, it just comes through in the way you write. You never engage anyone on a particular topic, ignore what is said (such as my last post where I linked you to atheistic charitable organizations), and keep saying that we are proving you right.
I have never called you any name other than 'Stormbringer', nor have I speculated on your living arrangements. In fact, I offered you my condolences about your family in an earlier post and you just ignored it. How exactly, then, am I proving you right? Please explain.
Rhiggs:
ReplyDeleteMy personal guess is that Stormbringer is responding only to comments that noone has made. The comments here just do not fit his claims and yet he continues to say "proving me right." His posts are about what we would expect if he didn't read anything and simply imagined comments convenient to his position.
As I was walking up the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
I wish, I wish he'd stay away.
[I forget the original source.]
Rhiggs & Pvblivs, Yes, I skip most of the comments. But it seems you're not paying attention. I have stated that I do not read the comments much, but occasionally find anti-theist rants.
ReplyDeleteThings are brought up in these comment sections simply for the sake of attacking me, personally. Haven't you noticed that? Of course not, you're busy defending other atheists in your quest for "reason". How are personal attacks from atheists helping prove their case? Not only here, but in Ray's blog as well. I make a comment about the post at hand, and see that someone is railing and (deliberately) misunderstanding a partial reading of my own articles.
So I'm the bad guy when I find and respond to personal attacks, yet with 1/10th of the venom that is directed at me? You people prove me right in that you show your lack of logic, fact gathering and reasoning skills. I've noticed that Part 1 of "Why I Can't Trust Atheists" had quite a few hits, but very few had the nerve to come back and read Part 2. Fewer still are actually seeking answers, and are not clicking on the links that provide further information.
The comments sections were shut down because of atheist trolling. And I'm the bad guy, and hateful? I have seen abundant evidence of hate from anti-theists. No, you've just been shot with your own gun. Again. Mmmmkay?
"If you spend word for word with me, I shall make your wit bankrupt." - Billy S.
ReplyDeleteStormbringer,
ReplyDeleteWhy do you keep referring to your own blog? I'm been there once or twice (I even commented on the double standards presented in one of your posts earlier in this thread), but found it quite boring. Most of us have blogs, and I'm sure you would find them boring too. Hence I don't respond to others by saying 'you obviously haven't read what I wrote on my blog'. Why not just converse?
The fact that you skip most of the comments here says it all. You obviously scan Christian sites for the specific comments that live up to your opinion and ignore the rest. I'm not denying that there are nasty comments directed towards you, but your comments are, in my opinion, far worse. I'll explain why...
Almost every comment you make includes sweeping generalizations. You continually lump all atheists together as stupid fools. On the contrary, most of the nasty comments directed at you don't make generalizations about Christians, despite your constant complaints that they do. I'm sure you will find an exception to the rule if you look hard enough, but on the whole the nasty comments concentrate on you, and you alone.
"You people prove me right in that you show your lack of logic, fact gathering and reasoning skills"
Anyone could 'prove' their own generalized misconceptions about a group of people if they selectively scan comments like you do. Your fact gathering skills and reasoning are woeful at best. Ever heard of confirmation bias?
I'm quite confident that if you actually engaged the more reasonable comments, instead of reacting to the nastier ones, you might find that the nasty comments fade away.
IMHO, you are your own worst enemy Stormbringer. Based on your comments here, I personally find you arrogant and hateful. Certainly some atheists are also arrogant and hateful. The difference is, I don't apply these 'qualities' to all Christians, whereas you, clearly, have no problem applying them to all atheists. If you continue to do this, please don't moan when you attract criticism. It is well deserved.
"Things are brought up in these comment sections simply for the sake of attacking me, personally. Haven't you noticed that?"
ReplyDeleteWell, no, because it doesn't seem to be in the comments that you admit you don't read. Whether the rants are pulled from some other site or from your imagination is something that cannot be determined unless you provide a source.
"Of course not, you're busy defending other atheists in your quest for 'reason.'"
I would defend anyone against a maliciously false accusation. I, most decidedly, do not fall under any "team banner."
"Not only here, but in Ray's blog as well. I make a comment about the post at hand, and see that someone is railing and (deliberately) misunderstanding a partial reading of my own articles."
I don't suppose you could provide a link to verify your claim? Identify the attacker; quote the attack. You know, I do check these things out. But I tend to be very doubtful of such claims made by someone whom we know not to bother to read comments.
"So I'm the bad guy when I find and respond to personal attacks, yet with 1/10th of the venom that is directed at me?"
And yet, amazingly, we cannot find these personal attacks. We see your venom just fine. But there seems to be no way to confirm that what you are "responding to" was not invented or imagined by you.
"I've noticed that Part 1 of 'Why I Can't Trust Atheists' had quite a few hits, but very few had the nerve to come back and read Part 2."
The nerve? Or the interest? Perhaps people simply decided that your post was a worthless rant. This is all conjectural. But it does fit. After all, I actually saw Part 2, in which you both complain about atheists trying to set you up and boast about setting atheists up. I also found it interesting that you would brag about creating comments and falsely attribute them to atheists as a "joke" in a post where you are trying to say that atheists can't be trusted.
"The comments sections were shut down because of atheist trolling. And I'm the bad guy, and hateful?"
Well, I managed to deal with trolls without shutting down comments completely. But then, I don't have a need to make sure that no one sees anything I don't agree with. As for identifying you as the "bad guy" or "hateful," I am inclined to think that is your imagination at work again. No, no one is "proving [you] right" except in your own mind.
Pvblivs,
ReplyDeleteTo be fair I have seen a few comments here that could be considered as 'personal attacks' against Stormbringer. However, they are generally responses to his identity theft antics, and so not completely unwarranted IMHO.
Plus, none make the type of sweeping generalizations characteristic of Stormbringer's attacks.
thats an interesting take i know many alcaholics and even functioning alcaholics (tehe) one of my cousins i call the man with the iron liver known the bloke for years seen him drink and drink and drink and drink never once has he been drunk no health issues caused by drinking (hes like 60) and his children who dont have his tolerance yet no real health issues with them maybe hes just a freak of nature lol (i knew it) in fact hes so keen on it he actually brew his own spirits, beer and at the current moment whiskey now this bloke would probably give the rolling stone a run for their money hes awsumness btw
ReplyDeleteno seriously i get that alcaholism is a real health issue i grew up around functioning alcaholics (many of them following the christian religion) over here its like a unwritten rule after work you sit back and enjoy a few coldies with mates if you're young on the weekend you get drunk and party till the early hours of the moning im no alcaholic i can abstain from alcahol for a long period of time i drink socially (i do recognise my inability to stop once i start) whats life without a little drinking am i sinning?
my question is this im not sure the exact scripture so forgive me in one book it says give those who are poor, lame ect beer (or along those lines at least i know it was a alcahol) so that they may forget their toubles (sorry its not exact maybe you can correct it)so what about them they get to drink their troubles away and because they are poor therefore they are not sinning or is it a free pass so to speak? plus
Connie,
ReplyDelete>>so forgive me in one book it says give those who are poor, lame ect beer (or along those lines at least i know it was a alcahol) so that they may forget their toubles
I have no idea as to what verse you are speaking of. You sure it was the Bible? I am curious though. Let me know if you find the verse.
Maybe, you might be referring to 1 Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
Remember it says a little wine. That certainly is not to say fermented wide either, but lets just say that it did that still means just a little. Not to get drunk. Plus you must remember back then water had parasites in it and wine was much safer to drink. Especially if you had stomach issues.
Still no excuse for hard liqueur or getting drunk.
Plus, you are missing the point here. It is not instructions to guide your life. It is instructions to save your life.
The Bible is clear about getting drunk (1 Corinthians 6:10) If you do so, according to the Bible, you are not a Christian. You will go to Hell. Which is more important having a "good" time for a season or being saved from hell? (Hebrews 11:24-26)
Don't forget to read the post "I love you"
Connie,
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>>can I have one drink occasionally and it won't be considered a sin?
I think so.
>>if I just have one beer to relax after a day of work but refrain from getting drunk is that acceptable or not?
Acceptable, unless you are doing it front of someone that is offended. If you cause a stumbling (Romans 14:21) that would be a sin.
Which is more important having a "good" time for a season or being saved from hell?
>>well considering my age at this particular point in time for season
What does your age have to do with it? Are you claiming that young people don't die? If you die in your sins then you will end up in hell. Now if you are younger then, lets say, 12 then I might agree with you that you may not be held to the standards of an adult, and you may possibly end up in heaven. Beyond even 10-12 you know better though.
>>I personally have no problem with religion in general it's the wars, raping, pillaging and torturing (all these are present day!!) done in the name of religion that turns me off
No excuse not to get saved. If people are blowing up abortion clinics in the name of Jesus does not mean its right or that Jesus does not exist. You have broken God's Laws (the Ten Commandments) and are already guilty. You will be punished for breaking those Laws (hell) God loves you so much he gave you a gift to allow you to go free on that Day of Judgment. All those other religions that you mentioned are what is called "works righteousness religions" that you must do something to merit everlasting life. Nothing you do can earn your way to heaven. (Ephesians 2:8-9) So even a Buddhist or a Hindu can find everlasting life but only through repentance (turning away from sin) and faith In Jesus Christ our God the Father.
>>... is what these so called "missionaries" are doing and they resort to these appauling tactics so I ask you if they are only out to save and preach the gospel are these means truly necessary...
First no one can covert anyone to follow Christ. If you follow Christ, even if we have years of discussions, it will not be because I have done anything for you. It is the saving grace of God that changes your heart.
I will say this though, you are evaluating if God is right or not. If you are doing this then you are placing yourself as god. You are breaking the 2nd commandment and that is no way to know God. God is not to be evaluated.
God instructs us to "give an answer to every man that asks" (1 Peter 3:15) I tell them that Christianity is true, then defend the truth of it if asked. That is where it ends, the rest is between you and God. Ask Him, He is right there for the asking. (Matthew 7:7-8) Ask Him to reveal the truth to you and He will. If you approach God though, approach Him on His terms. Start reading the Bible and He will indeed reveal Himself to you. Start with John, then Romans. (John 5:24, John 8:31) I wish you the best.